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Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari/F80' started by Bill S, Aug 30, 2009.

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  1. F40 LeMans

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    #276 F40 LeMans, Dec 16, 2009
    wheelspin problems... take a look at FL article for the standing start mode...
     
  2. F40 LeMans

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    #277 F40 LeMans, Dec 16, 2009
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    Here you are... :)

    we can do some considerations about part of these tests. Conditions and gearshift revs mode, start mode...and so on.
    But the point is that Swtzerland car is so fast...
    Quattroruote car, is fast but was not good condition that day...was hot (same as RC)
    Auto, is good only for a part of figures..
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    #278 F40 LeMans, Dec 16, 2009
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    Take a look at this graf.
    From 30 mph to 170 mph, with only the data we have. There is not only a single point where the C&D Porsche is faster in speed cresendo than the FL Ferrari test.
    OK is not really a proof in every sinlge point, but that's enough (with other tests) to determine that. Faster or anyway not slower.
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  4. joe sackey

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    #279 joe sackey, Dec 16, 2009
    Just those I posted unfortunately, but I would love to know more about the cars used.
     
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    #280 joe sackey, Dec 16, 2009
    OK, but I think the Swiss car is a 'Clienti Speciale'....
     
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    #281 joe sackey, Dec 16, 2009
    Thanks for posting this.

    F40. Fantatstic.
     
  7. F40 LeMans

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    #282 F40 LeMans, Dec 16, 2009
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    FL: Mason's car, customer car, UK market
    AMuS: Factory car? German market?
    SportAuto: Customer car, Swiss market
    Quattroruote: Factory car
    Auto: Customer car, Italian market
    RC: Cutomer car, Italian market

    I really don't konw about AMuS car. Because maybe a Factory car, but I think was tested in Germany...
     
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    #283 big.bryant, Dec 16, 2009
    Just out of curiosity, have you ever thought about adding the ZR1 to the list and seeing where it stacks up?
     
  9. Bill S

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    #284 Bill S, Dec 16, 2009
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    Here's the data for all of the F40s (US and Euro) and the CGT up to 130 mph:

    1. Under 100 mph or so, the US F40s jump the Euro F40s a bit, but they all pretty much the same at 100 (between 8.1 and 8.2 for all F40s if the slower Euro F40 is eliminated).

    2. The Euro F40s hit 160 mph about 1 second sooner than the US F40s. Pretty close!

    3. The CGT reaches 100 mph in 6.8 seconds. This is 1.3 seconds sooner than the fastest Euro F40.

    4. When the CGT is going 130 mph, the fastest Euro F40 is less than 124 mph.
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  10. SSNISTR

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    #285 SSNISTR, Dec 16, 2009
    Any more data for this test?

    "Essai Auto: 326.3 kph or 202.8 mph"

    Seems to be the best top speed test, wonder what the rest of the stats were?
     
  11. joe sackey

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    #286 joe sackey, Dec 16, 2009
    Ryan unfortunately I have nothing further.
     
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    #287 joe sackey, Dec 16, 2009
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    As compared with the Euro F40, I wonder what effect the USA F40's front end has upon top speed? That's a legitimate question I think.
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  13. F40 LeMans

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    #288 F40 LeMans, Dec 17, 2009
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    Great chart! this shows how improve the traction on the moderns, and how really push AMS car or the Swiss car.

    just to point out: when C&D car is 160 mph, europeans are well over 165 mph....that's not so close...

    I have it. But I don't really know where is now.
     
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    #289 poppy84, Dec 17, 2009
    In the 90s it was easy to boost an F40...

    Actually, Ferrari take care to send slightly modified (by "Reparto Esperienze") cars to European car magazines like "Quattroruote" or French "Sport Auto". Just for example we noticed with F40LeMans that a Factory Scuderia is lighter, more powerful and as a result around 5 to 10% faster than a standard one (around 20.5 s on the 0-1000 m acceleration test).
     
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    #290 F40 LeMans, Dec 17, 2009
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    Great chart. Thank you for this.
    Here I've highlighted the two most significant data. The CGT is very fast in the standing start, better traction,
    new tires tecnologies and better fluidity response. But in the data we have from 60 mph and 120 mph of this Factory CGT
    from 3.5s and 9.4s, the Euro spec F40 not yield to his arrogance. It's fast as the Porsche or a bit better.
    This is mainly because the moderns are able to approach the 11s on the quarter.
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    #291 F40 LeMans, Dec 17, 2009
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    ...................................from 6.4s to 6.5s...
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  17. SSNISTR

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    #292 SSNISTR, Dec 17, 2009
    It's cool, I would like to find the Auto Express test that got a 3.5 0-60 too. I had the issue years ago and sold it on Ebay. I still find the info via Google, but no reprints. As far as I know that is the best 0-60 test of any F40, excluding the GT/LM/GTE of course.
     
  18. Bill S

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    #293 Bill S, Dec 17, 2009
    Nice job on the highlights! I'm glad you like the data. I could not do this without your data. The CGT is also very fast because of the instant throttle response at shifts (no lag) and fast reving with lightweight drivetrain components.

    I am working on something very interesting. I will have that soon.
     
  19. Bill S

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    #294 Bill S, Dec 18, 2009
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    Well, after some very tedious calculations to match kph and mph, here's the race between the US F40 (C&D), Euro F40 (data below) and CGT (C&D and GPS for higher speeds).

    1. If the cars race for 18.3 seconds, the CGT is 17 cars ahead of the Euro F40 and the Euro F40 is only 3 cars ahead of the US F40.

    2. At 18.3 seconds, the CGT is going 160 mph, Euro F40 156 mph, and US F40 151 mph.

    3. The acceleration graph shows the CGT acceleration flattening over about 120 mph due to the downforce on the car.

    4. The Euro F40 pulls the US F40 over 120 mph, but not by much.

    5. The CGT and Euro F40 reach 170 mph in about the same time (22 seconds), but the CGT is far ahead by that time due to it's much greater horsepower over time.
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  20. F40 LeMans

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    #295 F40 LeMans, Dec 18, 2009
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    Great Job! the only problem is that "Auto" is not the best for comparing figures.... especially with a perfect test like the C&D Porsche test... FL figures shows 1 second better in the 0-100 mph figures... that's distance.
     
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    #296 F40 LeMans, Dec 18, 2009
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    Consider the only point that FL car could be 6 cars ahead on the "quarter" compared to the Auto test. This could be only 7-8 cars behind the CGT (C&D) after 18.3 seconds. And not for 14 cars. That's 9 cars ahead of the US car.

    Anyway we must compare on rolling start figures. That's normal an advantage of CGT, on standing starts.
     
  22. Bill S

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  23. SSNISTR

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    #298 SSNISTR, Dec 20, 2009
    All these charts are cool, but in the real world if all the cars were together things could be very different when cars are this close. As I'm sure you know, drivers, weather, surface material, track prep, tires, DA, temp, elevation all play into this....not trying to be a party pooper but, it is the truth. :)
     
  24. joe sackey

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    #299 joe sackey, Dec 20, 2009
    +1
     
  25. Bill S

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    #300 Bill S, Dec 20, 2009
    I don't think you're a party pooper! I just enjoy converting the real-world data into a fun real-world race because we can't easily race these cars for real!

    I think you'll find these "virtual" races will match what you'll see in real life because these races are from real data, not from simulations.

    If you find a video or real-life situation that seems to disagree with this data, please let me know! That would be very interesting to study. Of course if it's really hot or the cars are at very high altitude, you may see larger fluctuations. But in my experience, this data is pretty much typical real world as I've driven in or with all of these cars, except the F50 and a Euro F40.

    For example, here's a CGT racing a Scuderia. We could pretty much repeat this all day with the same results (which match these charts), assuming the drivers continued to shift quickly and at redline, which is not hard to do in the Scuderia!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhRNSO05TsU
     
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