Fatal car crash in the OC. Ferrari involved.

Without being there its hard to imagine how much heat was coming from the burning car. Maybe it was just WAY too hot to jump in there and try to help them.

Perhaps it wasnt. Some people get really paranoid about their own well being in situations like that. Then sometimes you see on the tv news channels people risk their own lives by going into burning homes to rescue people/kids. Also, some people seem to think cars on fire explode like they do in the movies so they dont want to get too close to the flaming car etc..etc.

Its a shame the guys first on the scene couldnt render any assistance, it really is.

 

It's 100% situational. Regardless, its very unfortunate to those involved. Be grateful to be alive and for each day you wake up...

 

Absolutely!!

 

I imagine the heat was extremely intense, the cops didn't even want to atempt a rescue. They were backing off. Not much you can do in that situation, especially knowing the car can explode at any given time. The firman are really the only ones trained and experienced to handle such tragedy.

 

Yeah mate, dunno. Very sad!

 

the occupants were removed from the vehicle before this video was shot - see truck doors open and fireman's tools on wall

 

The start of the video the dude recording was yelling out that there were 2 people in the front seat??

 

I was told that the Tow truck had just dropped off a Bentley at the Dealership there when it pulled out and headed down the road. Seconds later all the salesmen at the dealership witness the entire episode unfold with a bang......

 

Aluminum melts at about 1100 F.

 

Looks like they removed the videos.. I recorded Part 2 but didnt get a chance to get the 1st part....

Will post later...

 

Yeah, I didnt think they would been on there long.

 

From the first article:

"...Another man, believed to have been the driver, was taken to the hospital with severe burns."

From the followup article:

http://www.ocregister.com/news/police-225902-ferrari-driver.html

"Abinader was a passenger in the vehicle. The driver – who police did not identify – was taken to Western Medical Center and is in critical condition."

It doesn't make sense that two people would be trapped in the car the entire time if the driver was taken to the hospital and is alive. Without having seen the video (since it was removed), my guess would be that at least one of them was out of the car when the video was made. Potentially both of them were out, unless you believe "[email protected]"''s story about seeing the passenger. However his story also mentions "the kids" and doesn't explicitly state there was just one person left in the car so it is questionable. But in any case, it seems clear that the driver must have been out of the car.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BokGivS90Wg

Ok I recorded part 2 of his video so you can see the driver being loaded onto the ambulance...

 

I wasnt there and was only going on the words used by the dude in that video. He isnt anywhere near the flames while recording so you cant see anyone in the wreck.

So unless he was on drugs, I assume they were both in the car. Because he was screaming to someone that was near the flaming wreck that there are "2 people in the front of the car, can you see them". Something along those lines anyways.

Perhaps the driver suffered severe burns because he was stuck in a flaming wreck?

 

Yeah, ok. The first part of part 1 has that dude yelling that there are people still stuck in the car. So its obvious that they were both still in the car until part 2, 8 mins later or so??

I cant see at what point the driver is loaded into the ambulance. What time period JJ?

 

Towards the middle end of the video.. You can clearly see them wheel him to the ambulance and put him in...

 

Driver was Luicci, the son of the owner, around 21 or 22 years of age. Victim was his cousin.

Folks, don't let your kids drive 'em. Seriously, it's just asking for trouble.

 

Well said. I'm sure that the owner of the car is beside himself. A relative dead, kid in serious medical problems, and legal problems coming down the road, big time.

These cars aren't for young men (maybe not young women either), and putting a kid (under 25) into one, unsupervised isn't going to contribute to their longevity. Very, very said, but the trouble is just starting for them, I suspect.

Art

 

The kid was playing with a loaded weapon. You're right, no reason why a kid needs to get behind the wheel of a high powered car unsupervised. Apparently the Register screwed up the name of the deceased. It read; Ralph Abinader but is really Ralph Abi Nader. Not 100% on that?

 

I was on the phone and heard tires screeching and then the impact. I was talking to my dad and told him someone was just killed. The screeching was very long and the impact was loud...... I looked out the window and saw flames. Two years ago in the exact same spot a Viper hit a light pole and it killed the driver. It just made me sick to hear the crash. PCH was still closed when I went to bed. I sold my 430 last year and it is a very fast car. I let a lot of friends drive it but never let anyone take it without me in the car. It's just too much car for most people...... So sorry for the family of the deceased.

 

Sad set of events.

Not sure I would agree with the general approach of not letting someone young (<25) drive cars like these. Cars in general are plenty fast these days so this accident wasnt entirely because this was a sports car (though I suppose the "need for speed" urge is greater in a sports car, and multiplied when there are other young people around).

I've seen plenty of teenagers with enormous respect and the right amount of fear when dealing with fast cars. Some of them are just wired that way, some of them were "scared straight" that way from an unfortunate incident that hit close to home, and others were taught - had someone take them to the track, taught them car control, and taught them to keep speed on the track, not the road. I admit that these types of "kids" are the minority, and even some of them will stray under peer pressure to "gun it" - we'll never get rid of that.

I think back on some of the stupid things I did when I first got my license and have to expect even my kids will try things if I dont make an effort to teach them. My behavior changed after a childhood friend died in a senseless accident. I've got an 11 year old - and plan to teach her auto-x and driving skills before she is allowed to drive out there alone, and even then I suspect I'll put a black box in the car to make sure she drives by the rules. And if she has a thrill for speed, then I'll take her to the track with me and show her how driving fast on the road doesnt even compare to the feeling of speed and adrenalin you get at (and only at) the track.

Anyways, that is my way of looking at it. Everyone is different and open to their own way of life and opinions. I am also not implying that the parents of this driver did or did not do things to prevent this type of situation. If you are reading this, then my sincere condolences and best wishes for your son's recovery.

 

Better yet, take them to the TRACK and teach them how to drive. My kids were on the skid pad well before they took "Driver's Training" or what ever they call that clown school that passes for driving instruction.

 

I'm sure that helps, but I remember things that I did at that age, and only out of sheer luck didn't I end up dead, with others in the same condition, and I had some track experience. The problem is with kids and they don't realize that they aren't immortal. We've all been there, and fortunately, for most of us, we got through that time period.

You know nature provides about 5% more males on birth because they don't survive themselves. Something to think about.

Art

 

I applaud anyone who teaches their kids car control on a track where they can make their mistakes. But the problem wasn't in his technique entering the corner or correcting for the skid. It's that he was blasting through traffic, doing over 100 mph on a neighborhood street in the first place.

It's respect -- true respect for oneself, for ones neighbors and for the laws that keep us all safe and coming home for Christmas dinner -- that matters most. Generally speaking, I don't think young men fully grasp that until they're in their 30's.

Keep the keys in your own pocket, I say.

 

Wisdom from the Chedder.. Im sort of 50/50 on the youts out there with fast cars.. I had a 93 911RS when I was 23 and Didnt get my Ferrari until I was 30 so I think I had a lot of experience getting into the Fcar. In fact 2 years of ownership in the Fcar and not so much as a parking ticket let alone a scare... I had an 89 328 and felt the brakes in that car were the best set of brakes I have ever experienced so to get an F430 out of control is most difficult to imagine....