Please change your username to "bandwaganboi" Lukewarm supporters aren't Tifosi, anybody who was cheering for Zo against the Scuderia in 2005 isn't Tifosi. Phil is Tifosi, he never switches his alliance, Ferrari is it, nothing else matters. Read his post again, your comment could not be more out of line...
Ferrari got what they asked for, nothing more. That Schumi and LdM didn't like each other was pretty obvious. Besides, his work ethic is second to none in F1, which means he will probably end up near the top if not the top again. In my opinion, his age means little. His skill sets mean everything along with his experience. Brawn and MS are a pretty potent combo. Driving skills and tactical skills, I don't see a better combo out there right now.
+1 Lots of people who claim they won't support MS probably forgot that he's the one brought back Ferrari to where they belong. Look what happened after he left.
+1. Spot On. MS's body language in 2006 when Luca tried to hug him spoke volumes... MS's skill set is unmatched in the current field and matched with his hard work and determination he is a formidable driver. He is a great leader and has the ability to pull a team together and get everyone pulling in the right direction, instead of being drawn into petty squabbles and fights that pull everyone apart. I don't believe that MS gets enough credit for his leadership that he brings to the table. As I said before, I can't fault the man for going through the open door that Ross/Norbert/Mercedes were begging him to come through, when Luca quite publicly told him the Ferrari door was closed and his drivers were Alonso/Massa end of story... Luca might have added an extra level of motivation to MS... I just deep down inside wish he had stayed retired in Ferrari red with his last race seeing him carving through the field, that's all...that really was the perfect storybook ending...
The answer to your question is the reason why MS' comeback will be successful. Most drivers leave because they lose their speed... then they lose their top-level drive, then they gradually go down the field driving for lesser and lesser teams, until they finally leave. Villeneuve, Coulthard, Barrichello (who isn't gone quite yet), Panis, Ralf Schumacher, Fisichella, Verstappen etc. Or they lose their speed and just quit - like Hakkinen, Kimi, etc. In MS' case, he really wasn't ready to retire... but the timing was such that he had to make a decision and Ferrari needed to sign Kimi or he was going elsewhere, so they forced the issue, and MS decided to leave rather than to share equal billing with Kimi. But there was unfinished business... MS was still on top, still wanted to compete, still wanted to win. He hasn't had his fill of F1 yet. It's not about the money, it's about winning. It's because he's a competitor and needs the thrill of the hunt. He's probably going nuts at home wishing he could be out there racing, and he's in prime shape. He's fulfilling his ongoing dream - more power to him. Honestly, the guy already smashed pretty much every single record. What more does he have to prove? It's not like it's going to detract from his accomplishments if he doesn't do as well as he did in previous years. His life, and he will only live it once... if I were him, I wouldn't sit around and force myself not to do what I really wanted to do, just so I could preserve my legacy for future generations. His legacy will be fine, IMO, regardless of what 2010 brings.
You mean, Kimi's World Championship? Yes, that was awesome. Right next to Massa's second place to Hamilton by one point in Massa's race victory in the season finale in the pouring rain of Brazil. Bravo. Be careful how you re-write history. Sometimes the facts get in the way.
Sorry to disagree. I won't support MS either simply because he doesn't drive for Ferrari and I'm a Ferrari fan first and foremost. That doesn't mean I won't continue to value what he has done in the past and what he will do in the races to come but in the end it's a sport where I support the Ferrari team and he isn't on it. But I wouldn't mind if he came third all the time
Here you go: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120838/ Can't say I've ever seen it but I'll try to keep up with the conversation. Read any of My posts and you will see over and over again, I support Ferrari and the drivers who drive for them, regardless of who they are. Once they leave the Scuderia and go to another team, then they are working against the team, so why should I give them any support?. I find it sad that there are people claiming to be Ferrari fans who are happy to ditch the Team and put their support behind a rival driver/team because they don't like Alonso or because Schumacher is back on track. As I seemingly keep asking in posts, do you ditch your favourite football team because you don't like the quarterback they hired?, or support another Baseball team because that's where your favourite pitcher moved to?. MMmmmm.... I don't care about the sport?. Yeah, that's why I put up with 21 years of no real success on track for Ferrari (Thank You for ending that Michael , now be on your way!). That's why I spent a bloody fortune going to see Damon Hill win the 1996 World Drivers Championship in Japan (had a great time though, so it was worth it ). I care about the sport, but I care about Ferrari a damned sight more!, I'm an F1 fan but I'm a Ferrari Fanatic!. Wherever there's a Ferrari racing, it'll get My support over all the others (even if it's just a Ferrari engine!). If Ferrari were to ever leave F1, I'd still be watching it, I just wouldn't be getting as excited about it. I sound like a bitter old man?. You should here My Japanese impression, that's even better! As for " You should be happy for F1. Michael just saved it from collapsing completely", I've had a look here: http://www.formula1.com/ , but I can't seem to find the page you're referring to where it states there will be no F1 in 2010 unless Schumacher returns. Perhaps you could help Me out with that one?. Next up: I don't claim I won't support MS, I'm stating I won't support MS!. Is he driving for Ferrari?, NO!, will he be assisting the team I support?, NO!, am I a Ferrari fan?, YES!, so again I ask, why should I support him now he his working against the team I support?. It's not rocket science. Thank you ScuderiaP1, I'm glad there's someone on this "FERRARI" site, that actually understands what it is to be Tifosi. I can appreciate that for those not blessed with a following of the Scuderia as devout as Mine, it's makes no sense, but for the true Tifosi, it makes perfect sense.
I'd only be watching still if I had nothing better to do. It would be like IRL, NASCAR, Touring cars etc, I wouldn't bother rearranging My life to fit it in, unlike now.
Taking a different look I don't think Mercedes cares about how well Schumi does. Wait a couple of years and each and every AMG rocketship will have been "developed" with Schumi's help. Anybody noticed how every Ferrari that came out in the past 3 years was developed with Schumi's input (Ya as if without him the company would have churned out average cars). Drivers don't really matter as much anymore. At the end the best car wins imho.
There is a lot of truth in this post. Except that I think Merc can't wait to sell AMG specials with "WDC 2010" plaques on the dash. Sir Stirling Moss didn't publicly appreciate the new car they named after him. I'm sure MS won't be as critical of his employer.
Since you're a retentive fellow, let's put the "anal" in "analogy" regarding American Football. Now, only "Football" i care to watch is Aussie Rules. However, the only American Football team I've hopelessly hoped for the past 40 years is the Minnesota Vikings. Brett Favre, who has been a Viking for this one season has struggled of late, but they've clinched a playoff berth. Hope I won't be disappointed. There's a running back currently playing for the Vikings by the name of Adrian Peterson who is a huge Walter Payton fan. Payton, of course, played for the Chicago Bears. Peterson also likes playing at Soldier Field, home of the Bears... and Walter Payton for more reasons than one... he, being Peterson, usually has a field day there. That said, the "die-hard" Football [be it, American, Aussie Rules or "Soccer"] fans I know have done and will do for the rest of their lifetimes, more; complaining, wailing and gnashing their teeth about "their" teams than; praising and glorifying. Quite simply, one is able to live vicariously through players and vocally rue decisions made by players and team stewards alike that do not benefit the team, and in so doing, the fan. Brett Favre's old team, the Green Bay Packers, can certainly attest to that. In any instance, diehard fans of teams are the easiest targets to wager against when the time is right. I found in the '80's that one can go double-or-nothing against those types for 4 games at a stretch, without having risked a dime. See, no matter what the head says about the quarterback, or in this instance, driver, their hearts remain with the team. They hope the team's leadership doesn't muck up the team's leaders, but follow like sheep anyway. I call them "Chumpions". These days, there is talk of tension between Favre and his Head Coach... about how who calls all the shots on the field. I think the QB should follow his instincts when the time is right. Especially one with such experience as Favre. So, yes, it's wise to follow the talented guy who's got the ball or steering wheel in his hands, and hope his team, be it past, present, or one to return to, or yet to be suited up for, wins, yet know and feel deeply in our hearts who "our" team is from cradle to grave. If you don't understand that, then I'll advise you on what you need to do.
Gosh you lot are as bad or as good as the NASCAR boys and girls. Willing to debate every molecule of the sport. I guess that's what fan(atics) means! I think the Archbishop of Canterbury had it right when he was misquoted as saying "it matters not who won or who lost, its how you played the game". And that too is also a NASCAR moniker - its all about the show. And MS only adds to the show. End of story. Now let's get back to the main plot line and restart the thread with that favorite Forza question: What oils hould I use in my 3XX that I drive around the garage every third weekend so it does not get too many miles and I can sell it for tons of money....he he he
Well, Kimi's championship was gifted to him, i don't think he earned it. Mclaren's in team fighting, together with the Spygate contributed to Kimi's WDC. I really won't be surprised if Bernie or Max indicated to Ron Dennis that part of not being kicked out of the F1 championship altogether was to lose the WDC. I don't think it's nice to see someone win the WDC and WCC in a car that cheated. In my book, Kimi was just a one hit wonder. He didn't blow away Massa in his first season, like many predicted he would, and he faltered in 2008. But then again, a championship is a championship. Kimi won it, and Massa have yet to win one. No big deal.
Dude...chill. I didn't name you in person...plus, just because i will be supporting 3 drivers for next season, doesn't mean i expect everyone on the forum to do that.
No problem , it was linked it to the sour grapes comment so I assumed it was aimed at Me. Besides, I'll be supporting six drivers next year Myself. The two Ferrari drivers mainly, followed by the Torro Rosso and Sauber drivers (and I hope they all finish ahead of Schumacher! ).
There seems to be quite a lot of venom in this thread, so here is (only maybe!) some reason: 1. We all supported MS when he brought glory to Ferrari. It had been quite awhile since Jody won the title in 1979. 2. Whem MS left Ferrari, he really didn't want to leave. After all Michael did for the marque, he was essentially forced out by the Kimi-loving management. 3. Last summer, MS wanted to return to Ferrari but couldn't. Moreover, LDM made it clear that in 2010 Ferrari would not have a seat for Schumacher. It seems to me that Schumacher did everything possible to remain loyal to Ferrari. Everything, that is, except remain retired. The guy still wants to race, and I really don't think he deserves to be villified as some (not all) have been doing on this web site. I say cheer for the two red cars and Michael. Let the best man win and let's hope everyone stays healthy.
Agreed. I think it shows guts that MS doesn't feel he has to be under the F-spell anymore. He's in a position to call the shots and now feels this is what he wants to do. Good for him.
Huh? Did you miss the announcement that KOBAYASHI! is the other driver? Nick hasn't been confirmed yet, but is highly likely.
