*Gets on Soapbox* I have been reading this site for over 2 yrs now. I am appalled at the way many people on here have attacked others that have tried to show us their cars that most of us only dream of ever acquiring. If we continue with these attacks, people will stop sharing their cars and collections with us. I, for one, do not want that to happen because where I live, it is a rarity to see something truly exotic; I am lucky to even see a Porsche 911 here! Before you attack someone else on here, I think you need to do one thing: ask yourself if you would want someone write to you what you write to them. Some will say to grow a thicker skin but that still doesn't make the attack on someone else right. While I agree there are a few people out there that truly deserve what they get, I feel that it isn't our place to give them what they get in the end. I have seen a guy that had his life torn completely apart because he posted about his NSX on an enthusiast website: (http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98489) He tried to bring in more business for his website by tagging that he purchased his car in cash with proceeds from online gambling. People called it BS. Someone looked into info on his car and found out it was being financed. A train wreck ensued. While his actions were not correct and quite immature, the personal attacks and treatment that he and his family received afterward was uncalled for and inappropriate. People used the sleuth capabilities of the Net to get to the point where they were calling him at home and going by his house and insulting him was WAY beyond what was appropriate. Another case of this is LV Eric. While I do not agree with his business practices in the past even though they were technically legal, I feel that our attacks upon him as appalling also. IF we have anyone to blame, it is our politicians for allowing people to do things like businesses being able to prey on others. We as voters should elect people protecting our interests instead of the getting their pockets lined with cash. I, for one, feel like what Robin Williams recently said in one of his specials: we should have politicians wear white vests with decals from every person that has given them money. Make them look like a NASCAR." or words to that affect. In this own forum, a gentleman posted asking for help in ideas for what he could do to recover a laptop that his daughter left behind in a hotel. I, for one, have information on my laptop that is considered personally identifiable information (hereafter PII) and other info that they did not want out in the open world. I have such information on my own laptop. (Did you know that the loss of PII has a more strict reporting requirement than the loss of Top Secret information? The reporting requirement for the loss of PII is 30 minutes whereas for TS is 24 hours. I do have the knowledge to be able to make that statement; I work in a classified environment and have the appropriate clearances for my work. Further, I know for a fact that the information that I just provided is in the public domain if you even bother looking for it.) Instead of helping him, people started making comments about how his daughter was stupid for leaving the laptop, how he should blow it off because he could afford to buy her another and other STUPID comments. This was something that was uncalled for and never should have been said. We should have stayed on topic with ideas and possibly helping to mitigate the issue in the future. (I am referring to encryption of the files, tracking software, etc.) Finally, there was ICEMAN (I can't remember the rest of his username) from on here. People attacked him and he was only trying to share his passion and enthusiasm for cars with us. For awhile he left because of the attacks, but returned at a later date. The personal attacks started again and from what I can tell, he has left once more. These comments are my own opinion. Some may not agree with them at all. I just ask you to look upon yourself and ask if what you are about to write is something you would want written to you. Treat others as you would want to be treated should be the way of the world, however that is far from the case in today's World. *gets off his soapbox*
Some people take what is said on the net seriously whereas others do not. Just because you find it funny and such doesn't make it right. I will put it to you like this: if you decided someone was being a jerk and decided that he needed to shut up, would you just walk up to him and punch him in the mouth? Is that legal? Is it something you would want done to you? What if you were on the other end?
Depends on the topic. Most of the vintage and a large percentage of the classic areas are just old friends trying to help each other out. As it gets into more modern stuff, well, let's just say that Ferraris tend to be idiot magnets.
much of that is the difference in maturity. everyone knows several young and older users that don't act their age though.
Exactly. I love reading the vintage/classic areas, but then it comes to the idiots out there, it is actually making me lose interest in forums and I am considering stopping posting or visiting because of @sses like that. It just isn't anything that I have the interest in reading...just like the people that will post pictures that are smart-@ssed as a response.
Yes, there is an ignore list. I know about that already. I just feel that it shouldn't be something we have to use. I am making a general comment on society in general. I feel this is wrong to have to go to the extent. I feel that putting someone on ignore is like asking for a restraining order....only use it unless it is absolutely called upon. People should be more responsible for their actions and words. (Oh, by the way about my previous comment about getting decked in the mouth. This is an example. You have been saying things that are wrong, outside the lines or something I don't agree with. I am 6 ft 4, 250 lbs, have had some martial arts training along with a boxing background. Would you want to be decked in the mouth by someone like me because of something you say? Just because you say something I don't like, etc doesn't make it right for me to hit you.)
Thank you. I think it is important also. I have been watching these train-wrecks for years. Enough is enough and I do not want to have to deal with it anymore. Personal responsibility is something we are lacking in today's society.
I just wrote in a personal message to someone saying something (or words to that affect) I think you should ponder: "It is New Year's Eve. You are being a designated driver and picking up drunks. A drunk driver hits your car, killing you and all your passengers. Are you at fault because you should have known better than being out driving on New Year's Eve or was it the drunk drivers?" That is something that I can say about the people out there that say something along the lines of "you should have known better", "it is your fault for leaving something...", etc.
Liars are being called liars. If they represented themselves accurately, there wouldn't be any need to investigate. Posting opens one to comment, especially if extraordinary claims are made. Society in general is backbiting, ugly, corrosive, and the majority of folks can't stand each other. If you're lucky, you find a group of folks, family and friends that you can trust and enjoy their company. Why would you expect a mostly-anonymous world filled with those same folks to be any different than the real thing? In the end, we're all dust and transient pixels on the screen. Surely there's more important or interesting things on which to spend your energy?
Maybe. What I do see is a lot of useless discussion about how much a car is worth or how much they should pay for it going on. But, I don't see it too much as negative. For example, if a newbie asks a silly question, I don't see everyone jumping on them for asking something so obvious. Or, if someone posts their car for the first time, you don't see anyone jumping on it like "oh god... not another red one!" or "Yuk! Why did you pick that color!!". People are complimentary. I did object to those who tore down the California viscously when there were some that were really interested in finding out about it and others who actually bought the car. To me, telling another owner-- or future owner-- his car is ugly or "designed for women" is not good manners. I have found out in my life that some people are just not happy unless they are complaining about something or raining on someone's parade.
Yep, there are some abrasive comments posted. However, your experience is not what I have seen. Yes, there is a bit of rivalry between Ferrari and Lambo owners, between Liberals and Conservatives, etc But be sure there is much more + + + postings on this site than - - - -. If something bothers you, just ignore it. There are places to stay away like the politics/religion and "Last person to post WINS thread". No holds barred type of posting. Dont mistake friendly jabs as a personal attack. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
It was an example. Just because something that is done to you and you retaliate doesn't make it right. I hope that makes some sense. I am editing the previous comment so you can more easily see what I am trying to say. Thank you for pointing this mistake of clarity on my part.
I strongly disagree. You're neither dust nor a pixel. We're responsible for our actions, as cause and effect, let alone morality and facing mortality are what individuals and others measure one another by, in life and in death. Can't be doing other things all the time, and as for the company I keep, I much prefer sharing a common bond and other interests with these guys and gals than others.
I'm okay with someone rambling on and speaking freely, even if it is garbage or I don't agree with it. Free speech requires the need to be able to have a better tuned signal to noise filter. I have no problem going to blows to defend this right, but do not condone the use of violence to shut someone up.
I was referencing the original -complaint- and the attempt to regulate reality, not the activity of 'F-chatting'. Frankly, this is perhaps one of the most interesting group of folks I've ever run across, and with a few rare exceptions everyone I've met in Real Life from here has been excellent company.
What I think the author is striving at by way of parallels is; a person who is undeserving of harsh criticism, even to such an extent as detailed on the initial post - feels virtually smacked in the nose. Amen.
Wax nailed it on the head. I was trying to show the parallel. Sorry that my clarity was not there. I have been up for 44 hours now and I am not doing so well. It took me 3 hours to frame that first post. Wax, thank you for clearing up what I was striving to say.
