Interior Shoots of LP400 #1120001 1974: http://www.countach.ch/History/LP400/1120001_AutoCar1974.jpg how I found it in 2000: http://www.countach.ch/History/LP400/1120001_3.jpg
The white Car with swiss registration GE-156330 was already used in 1981, I found a picture in the Quattroruote Magazine! I will add a new section on my Countach-Homepage soon showing all known pictures http://www.countach.ch/History/PaceCar/index.html Looks like at least one red car of 1983 was still a LP400S, also the white car used in 1981 with GE-156330 plates could also be a LP400s, the only picture I have with the 1982 letters do not show the registration plates. I think this was an error to say GE-156330 was a 5l without having detail pictures. The IXO model of the white 1982 car wears registration 5889L4 batched Countach 5000s, the red LP400s of 1983 6555L4 batched only as S, no idea what kind of plates these were.
Any shots of the white one pranging the drivers side rear against harbour side armco on piscine exit in 83 ! Looked very painful from north-facing grandstand. Peter
Wow the differences are considerable. Having seen the car in person I can confidently say that the 'Factory Restoration Department' has a lot to learn from the likes of Gary Bobileff. It never ceases to amaze me how people get stars in their eyes when thinking that the 'factory' will be restoring my car or that 'It is being sent to Italy' to be looked after like there are some magic restoration fairies that do Gods work there. Fact is that some of the finest restoration shops in the world are in the USA and their depth of knowledge and quality of product goes well beyond what most Italian shops can imagine. I'll take Gary's place any day over some place in Italy to restore my classic Lamborghini thank you. Now to just get the car first
there are great places to restore an old lambo in US and in Italy as there are bad places in either country you need to take time to find one or more shops that really know these cars and also do some research and homeworcks the more you know about the car yourself, the smaller the chance to end with an uncorrect restorated car (or even worse a bad running one)
You should not forget that 1120001 was the preproduction development car, there are a lot of things different on this car compared to the later LP400 production units. Also it got changed several times until it was finally sold to the swiss owner who seems to have it owned for a longer time. Obviously around 1975 the factory changed a lot of the interior to match it the production cars like the seats and all the indicator lights, leather colour was changed as well. Also the factory did not restore #1120001 in any way since they got it in 2001, they cleaned and polished the car and made it run again. The huge question is, if it shall be restored to which point in time/version or at all. The red version is the oldest and farest away from the regular LP400, the green version of 1973/74 was not finished but would show the car like presented in Paris/London show etc. Or finally restore it like is was delivered? IME it should be left in the state it is, she got it's patina of 37 years of existence, any restoration would remove the traces of it's fromer life, I wouldn't doubt in any way that Gary would be capable to do an amazing job.
Absolutely. Things are always changing and it is essential to consult with multiple parties who remain directly involved in the industry, know the individual restorers and their methods, and keep tabs with what is going on.
Rob: I have always viewed you as a person with a keen eye for detail, based on our conversations. Since you note that you have seen 1120001 in person (I know you have because I have seen the pic you posted of you standing next to it), I'm a bit surprised that you could even think for a moment 001 has been restored?? Or maybe I am misunderstanding your post. As Raymond states, 001 has not been restored in any way. Some things have been moved around, different seats have been thrown in, etc, but no restoration. By the way I do agree with you that just because it was restored in Italy does not mean it is done well. Id honestly say that most 'restorations' I come across leave something to be desired. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
A nice carburetted Countach, USA-legal (EPA & DOT) but without the molested bodywork! Image Unavailable, Please Login
It appears as though I jumbled my ideas together and made a mess of it. To clarify there were 2 ideas here. One was that there are some real differences to the original and current sates of the first Countach and the other was that some of the best restoration shops in the world reside in the US. An extension to that idea is the assertion that restorations done in Italy have no greater value nor are they more likely to be correct than those done elsewhere. Too often people get wrapped up in these notions that workers in Italy are somehow more skilled than those elsewhere. As a related story years ago I was given my grandfathers old wristwatch that had sat unused for over 20 years. As a valued keepsake of him I wanted to have it restored. As such I sought out the best jeweler I could find. Naively I did this by going to the local high end jewelry shop where they spend most of their days blowing smoke up their customers behind telling them how great they are. So I take them this watch hoping to enter into a meaningful discussion of how the restoration would be approached. The clown I dealt with starts going on of how it would be sent to a 'specialist in Switzerland' like there are no mere mortals in the area that can compare to the great Swiss wizards. I chuckled to myself at this outright lie picturing the watch sitting on a first class seat on a Swissair flight Naturally I took the watch elsewhere and my one regret is not telling the guy that he was a flat out liar. But I digress.
Is that a QV? How did it pass emission? Regarding the bodywork, was it Federalized as is or did the owner took off the ugly bumpers and rectangular side markers?
Just my .02, possibly some alterations were done after the fact. Once the reg. is legit and the inspections are done, the car gets customized. -or- Its not what you know, but who you know.
001 was in fact a development prototype, and that's why it existed in several distinct, noted guises. Personally, if I had to restore it Id go with its most noted guise, as the green car with silver bumpers ad block-padding seats, seen in all the official factory press literature. But, its worth noting that those features could in fact be brought back without restoring the car in total. Whilst its obvious not to assume a car restored in Italy will be correct, I think the most important thing to be said about restoring any car is to really know the car and its history, plus its current needs. This is where most owners come up short, even before they have begun the actual restoration! Managing the restoration is a whole other discussion for another time & place.
Since I can see through the rear window it is not a DD 4 valve. Not a low body either. So it must be an S3 400S or a 5000S. Probability wise it's the 5000S.
Correcto! Federalization to obtain EPA & DOT in the USA back in the period was a sublet affair where the government authorized multiple entities in various regions throughout the USA to carry out the modifications required for the cars to become compliant. The various 'federalization specialists' accomplished the list of requirements in different ways, and that's why USA-legal Countach from the era have various modifications and their finish is not uniform amongst any group of cars. Some specialists went over-the-top and really bastardized the appearance of the cars, and others were much more subtle in their approach and found 'creative' ways to allow the cars to escape molestation. This is one of the cars that escaped. All that is important is whether the car has EPA & DOT paperwork on file.
Alex: this is a car that has been federalized with a subtle approach. Notice how even the front Carello turn-signal lenses were retained to be used as DOT side-markers. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Very pleased with my new arrival, wanted a decent model of this for years! Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Very Nice! And, check this one out. My wife got this for me on Christmas. Notice that its a USA Fuel Injected model, and very close to my colors too! She thought I'd really like this! SHE WAS RIGHT!!! Mike Image Unavailable, Please Login
I just wanted to say thanks to mr joe sackey. This will be my final regular post as a fellow Fchatter. This has been my favorite thread of all time. I have found much great useful information just by reading this thread. So hopefully in the future I will include pics of my own Countach.