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  1. thedoc

    thedoc Formula 3

    May 27, 2009
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    Gents First may I say happy new year to all !

    Met with a paint shop recently and my head is spinning !!
    As I have written many times I am choosing not to repaint my espada its original gold. Sorry Ferrucio..
    I would like to open the book on Only Vintage lambo colors. Where is the best place to find this info ( 350s 400s Isoleros Miuras and of course Espada colours) . Is VLG the ONLY place and what is THE best color number to give the painter for accurate samples.

    The answers are here somewhere!

    All the best for 2010

    Gary
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  2. FredParoutaud

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  3. joe sackey

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    #3 joe sackey, Jan 1, 2010
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    Gary:

    I dont think there is such a thing as an "only place" for any source of information!

    Even Fred concedes, "there's lots out there, but you gotta dig".

    I suggest that the info you seek is all over the place, on obscure websites, hidden away in files with individuals who cared 40 years ago, and in some books - including mine (page 116 of the Miura book). The listing below dates from 1971 and covers not only Miuras but Espadas too, as supplied by PPG Italver.

    Its nice to see these lists, but the question I have for you is, what good are these numbers to the average paint shop today, without having faithfully preserved fresh (non-faded) paint chips?

    Pity you are not going with the period original oh-so-cool "Oro" (Gold), but that's the beauty of ownership, only you get to decide.

    Here is the link to my book, but note that all it has are the names and original codes.

    http://www.veloce.co.uk/shop/product...&prod_id=V4196

    Personally I prefer to source a part of the car's original paint that has been absolutely shielded from the elements and thus correctly preserved, and then have the paint shop replicate that. If you were going with the original Gold, I bet your Espada would speak to the painter.
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  4. thedoc

    thedoc Formula 3

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    Thanks gents!!

    Joe;
    I rec'd your book finally and have been glued to it thru the holidays .
    My Girlfreind refers to it as the "Mistress"!
    Anyway Phillipe told me that my gold Espada was one of only 74 produced (of 2nd series I guess) So I may yet decide on that .The guilt is killing me LOL !!
    I have seen bits sticking out in the engine bay and once I make a proper chip to hold up to the shiny stainless bits i will most certainly know at that time. I do like the retro period look and I wish to respect this cars history but Damm there is so many cool colors to choose from........

    Gary
    P.S. Any chrome vent circle tutorials to be written soon?
     
  5. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Doc:

    Picture this scenario as you pull up in your stunning Espada, resplendent in its original "Oro Longchamps" livery...

    Gobsmacked Lamborghini enthusiast: OMG a GOLD Lamborghini Espada, is that the original color???!!!

    The Doc: Yep, one of just 74, son...

    Imagine the satisfaction with being able to make that definitive statement, rather than having to tell a long 'story', whilst your audience loses interest halfway through it! Ive watched that happen.

    Regarding the vent bezels, just buy some foil tape and an Exacto knife and get to work. 3 tries and you'll be a professional.
     
  6. thedoc

    thedoc Formula 3

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    LMAO

    Gary
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  7. FredParoutaud

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    Nice Joe!

    Yeah, my "350 Paint Samples" are of course worthless as far as actual colors go, but I think it's neat to see the original real deal...courtesy of Marcel DeLange, dearly departed unfortunately.

    Fred
     
  8. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    I must confess the color range for the 350 GT remains the most classy & elegant of all Lamborghinis.

    Nary an "Arrest-me-red", "Clockwork Orange" or "Acid Green" anywhere in sight!
     
  9. FredParoutaud

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    Ah! Joe -- Maybe they had it right from the beginning?

    ;^D

    Time will tell

    Fred
     
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    #10 alberto, Jan 2, 2010
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    Joe:

    Which one of these equates to Rosso Acrilico, used on 1021? You don't happen to have the serial # that corresponds to each of the cars painted in each color, do you?

    Alberto
     
  11. joe sackey

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    Alberto: this chart I posted is from 1971. I do have the chassis numbers of Miuras painted in those colors from 1971/72/73.
     
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    VLG is GTG

    good to go.


    You should consider using the original gold color.
     
  14. staatsof

    staatsof Nine Time F1 World Champ
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    So Gary did I cover most the spots? ;>)) Keep digging and try emailing that guy too. If he doesn't reply I'll rattle his cage for you.

    Bob S.
     
  15. xs10shl

    xs10shl Formula 3

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    If you're looking to replicate a color you have no physical access to, depending on the color you need, sometimes you can find an old Fiat color book at the paint store which will have some like colors. I think there's also a connection with BMW, who may have used the same vendor for paint (I forget). I would also say that although a picture showing the color you want is a great start, I think it would probably be unwise to rely on it as being 100% accurate, as it introduces another variable. Best would be to find a guy willing to lend you an original undamaged color wheel, showing the finished color as it is painted on the metal. Someone had one for sale last year for a few hundred at Pebble Beach.

    It's been my experience that duplicating some colors using modern paints is tricky, even if you have a nice original sample to work with. I've also found the lacquer color formula numbers to be almost meaningless, as I've only been able to get acrylic paints.

    An interesting tidbit: some of the more well known Ferrari restorers have pre-stocked many gallons of commonly painted colors (like yellow or red), so when they respray several cars the same color over the years, they will look the same if they happen to end up next to each other on the concours field (which means less questions from clients).
     
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    staatsof Nine Time F1 World Champ
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    That and make him date women just like his mother too ... ;>)
     
  19. thedoc

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    FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK
    i going to find the guy who invented the internet and slap him. the guilt is wearing me down .
    Gary
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    #20 joe sackey, Jan 4, 2010
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    I had always thought that Gold Espada = topless chick magnet.

    Maybe I'm wrong, but look here, this illustration proves it!
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    Hmmm, I think I saw a gold Espada on e-bay a while back. I wonder if it is still available? Now, if I could only find the contact information, maybe there would be a happy ending to this story(!) :)
     
  22. staatsof

    staatsof Nine Time F1 World Champ
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    Uh it's rather a vague illustration (intentionally) so they could have bikini tops on under all that hair. But who cares?
     
  23. thedoc

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    Gents;
    upon close inspection properly restored knock off wheels look a touch more grey than silver and even in some loght have a ever so slight blue in there ???
    does anyone have the correct PPG number for this as well

    Gary
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  24. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    I cant help with the number but I have observed that un-restored wheels are indeed Grey and not Silver.
     
  25. thedoc

    thedoc Formula 3

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    Thanks Joe !
    The blue must have been a reflection of my mood cause i didnt own the muria those wheels were attached to..

    Gary
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