1963 GTO Replica

I wonder what this will end up selling for?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ferrari-GTO-NO-RESERVE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem45f071af0cQQitemZ300386725644QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks

 

Wonder what THE history is .ROFL.

 

BLUE seats?!

 

A 330 was sacrificed to make this replica? Makes me sad. But it is indeed a great recreation.

 

In some original cars, yes.

 

You mean not all were black seats with blue inserts and black piping?

 

3809GT and 3505GT as an example. Copyright unknown.


Onno
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With nearly 400K Dollars in my pocket, I think I'd shop for something authentic. I bet I'd come home with an interesting real Ferrari too.

 

I think most of the replicas with this kind of build quality get bought by people with plenty of of authentic Ferraris already. Personally, I could see myself owning a replica of an open Ferrari racer (196S/246S, 250TR) as a track toy as the real deal is just completely out of reach and I wouldn't mind finding out more about 4-wheel drifting... But it could not replace my authentic Ferraris.

I should perhaps point out that the above does not mean I condone chopping Ferraris for building replicas. But if the damage is already done... I quite like the 250TR built for Innes Ireland in the early '90ies that's been on sale at Oakfields for ages. Also expensive, though. http://www.classicdriver.de/uk/find/4100_dealers2_results.asp?next=4100_dealers2_results.asp&lCarID=1791147&lCurrency=2&dealerid=1337

[EDIT: reading the ad properly this time, I see that it actually has a 330 engine. For this sort of money, you would at least expect a 250 engine in there... Hmm - liking it a lot less now]


Onno

 

Hi Onno
4 wheel drifting? Get yourself an old Formula Ford and make sure it's properly set up - very affordable and you'll teach yourself real driving and have a load of fun!

The Oakfields TR is very far from a real TR copy which is why I suspect it hasn't sold for so long. You'd never get FIA papers for it which is a fair measure of how close a replica is. I personally like well prepared hotrod Ferraris which mimic the classic body styles but they are a different proposition to a good replica. I really want to know what a TR is like to race so will be building mine with an exact copy (customer) TR chassis and everything else correct - I have an original body taken from a 315S. FIA papers are then easy and the car is eligible for many (of course not all) historic events.

I think a 330 engined GTO should be very good, but of course the real 4 litres had the Tipo 163 engine which is very special and considerably smaller and lighter than the 330GT Tipo 209. The other big deal in a replica (assuming the chassis/suspension is right) is the magnesium 5 speed gearbox, and most don't have this.

 

Came as standard fitting

 

The nose tip is too long and the fenders lines and size are all wrong imo

 

Excellent advice, Will, thanks! I just might do that.

That would explain it.

Very interesting. Will you be using only the original 315S body or a donor Ferrari chassis as well?


Onno

 

while not taking a public stance on this car, and assuming they are being truthful......it does NOT utilize a 330 chassis, according to their description:

..."The chassis is an exact copy of the original GTO, built from scratch by Chris Lawrence using the correct GTO spec [smaller diameter and lighter weight than the production cars] oval tubing...."

...."using a bespoke chassis..."

..."Do not confuse the construction of this car with a re-body on a chopped down 250 GTE chassis...."

 

looks like an incredible replica to me

 

I don't know, to me something is not right with proportions.

anyways, in my opinion that's asking way to much money for what it is, even if building it must have been a lot of work.

 

400k car and they have a FRAM oil filter??

Makes me wonder what other shortcuts they have taken if they are talking about how accurate this is....

Just sayin....


PDG

 

The Chris Lawrence chassis were indeed built from scratch (well, certainly some of them)and I have discussed the oval tube bending and rolling by the man who did it for for Chris. The round tubes were bent first (sand method) and then rolled to oval.

 

The chassis will be scratch built as there is no donor chassis which is correct. This is my point about most of the TR replicas. Once the chassis is done PF coupe parts of the correct era provide the suspension, brakes, steering, gearbox, axle, and engine (which has to be fitted with the 128LM or F heads & 6 carbs).
The 315S body has the pontoon fender type nose and cooling cutouts but not the scallops behind the wheels.

Will

 

Quite a project, Will! I hope you will keep us posted. Best of luck.


Onno

 

This isn't aimed directly at Ivferraripilot, more in response to the oft heard/read comment on this forum that he repeated..
I have never really got to grips with the ability to be able to accuratley judge, from a photo, the intricate differences between 36 cars that were initially handbuilt over 2 years, raced, crashed, repaired by a completly different artist, subsequently restored, then restored again, and copied hundreds of times...
I have spent time in pit lanes, historic racing and track days, I'm no expert on Ferraris (German cars are my bag) but I have seen, heard and spoken to owners of both genuine and replicas... I get the impression that the owners of genuine cars often admire the replicas As they are more 'tribute cars'.. And the majority of replica owners don't bull**** that their particular Ferrari chassied cars is anything more than what it really is (unlike converted 260z owners) And, more often than not, do own what can be deemed 'a real F-car'

one thing that nearly everyone of them I have spoken to agreed on though was that no two 'proper' GTOs are the same.. Astheticly or physically and there are experts who can tell them apart (and recite the chassis number) from a picture...
So the questionbegs an answer.. How can an expert tell which is which (what are the most obvious differences) and how can the layman judge that a car does or doesn't look like a real one?

 

If you'd lived with a real GTO in the garage for many years, as I had, and seen all of the other genuine GTOs at various times, It is very easy to spot a fake from a mile off. Only the Favre was about right.
Invariably something "smells" wrong, and although all 36 originals differed in some way, the repros are always spottable.
I guess its like a female dog (bxxxh!) who would recognise another identical pup placed in the litter as not being her own, whereas to us they all look the same. Don

 

Hey Don, you're British, and we still call female dogs *****es without inane censorship. I wonder how this will appear when I post it?
Will

 

I fully agree, but not on those Favres. Especially the early ones look like anteaters. Best wishes, Kare