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  1. M.B.

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  2. joe sackey

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    #5477 joe sackey, Jan 17, 2010
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    Peter:

    The keepers of faith as it relates to the values of genuine Series One cars are of course those that have vested interest in them, by virtue of actual ownership. I suspect the owners of the 3 cars below would side with you. The one at the bottom is the last one made.
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    #5480 Peter K., Jan 17, 2010
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    Boy o boy, those cars look like Series Ones.

    Again, I call bullsh** after thinking about it even more! I know of several guys waiting, just fkn waiting, to buy clean Series One cars. Heck, the small list of people, which is tucked away in my file cabinet, waiting in the wings for my car would settle for a later S1. And willing to pay top dollar.

    BTW, what did happen to that 79 S1 red that was on ebay twice, sub 200k? I know there were question marks over that car but it was real clean and had BRAVOS :)
     
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    Alberto I missed your query. I don't have that file up on my website but will ask Albert to make amends next time.

    I also have some really big files on a local California car, 1121014, the ex-Road & Track car that exists complete with Bob Wallace 'Megaphono' straight through exhaust pipes and lightened valve train/9,000 rpm red line. I will upload these too.
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    Thanks for posting these fantastic images. Any more?. Indeed that virtually ensured a tour of the entire facility back then...
     
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    I agree with you..but owner would not ALLOW me to advertise...he was and is extremely private...but he has replaced it, with mine and others help, a great LP400 Perisco[pa..inbound from the over the seas country...he is happy and that is all that matters.
     
  10. EMILIO

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    Roy,

    i still have a last doubt

    isn't this sold car the red-perfect-low miles 1980 Series 2 car ?

    this could explain the price to me
     
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    We could care less about the owner.
    Does not make sense why the car, now not owned by him, has to be private.
     
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    I've posted this in the past, but wondered if any euro downdraft countach owners have a copy of the Alpine cassette operation manual, model number 7145/7148L.
     
  13. Peter K.

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    Let me know if anyone finds one of these cheap. CM-630. Manual a plus. Maybe I'll find one at a flea market in the spring. Hahaha. But no joke, I've seen several vendors at cheap or antique flea markets with tons of old car radios...alot of 80's, I remember many alpines.
     
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    Oh Peter, just stick a pair of Heuer Monte Carlo Rally clocks on there like you mean business...
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    Correct Emilio, a Series 2 car is valued in the market between $150k and $200k, so $185k is right on the money. But, a Series 2 is not a Series 1, and the fact remains that the recorded recent sales of identifiable S1s falls between $200k and $300k.

    Please trust me on this, I try & do this full-time for a living!

    S1 cars are not only as rare as the proverbial Hen's Teeth, but to the faithful who want them, nothing else will do.

    As an anomaly, one S1 (1121038) did in fact sell in the last year for circa $150k, but it was really a restoration project, and has now been restored, bringing the owner's investment right back to that same range I mentioned earlier. Have a guess what he would ask for if he ever decided to sell? Have a guess what the owner of 1121036 would ask if he ever decided to sell? Somehow I doubt if we will even get the opportunity to find out.
     
  16. EMILIO

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    i agree
    the thing that made me doubtful is this 185k$ S1 is "one of the best" ... as i know one of the best S2, low miles all original cars was also available for sale

    aniway: if it was really one of the best S1 congrats to the new owner for one amazing deal
     
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    Somebody please correct me if I am wrong, but I understand the only difference between the S1 and the S2 is the gauges in the dash, with the S1 using Stuart Warner like the LP400, and the S2 using the Veglia. Both the S1 and S2 are low-bodies and both have bravos. Is this correct? If so, how can that little gauges difference mean over $50K in value????????
     
  18. joe sackey

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    Emilio,

    A couple thoughts.

    1. The Countach world is particularly small. In fact its tiny. I have learned over the years that nothing really happens without some other party getting wind. So please rest assured that $185k = S2 car. There have been several S2 'privately' available, and it is one of those cars. You know the car. The owner contacted me to tell me he sold it. Its all good because I would not have been able to bring him more money for that car and I think it was sold fair enough.

    2. It is amazing that after all this time and all this discussion, S1 cars are confused with S2 cars, or S3 cars for that matter. Mind boggling. But, it happens.

    3. S1, S2 & S3 cars have different values in the market. Thats just the way it is. Why? Desirability, rarity, combination of components, whatever, that's how it shakes down. I would hate to see someone pay S1 money for an S2 car, or someone pay S2 money for an S3 car.

    4. I have no bias here one way or the other because I don't have an S1, S2, or S3 car at the minute. But, as you know, that could of course change anytime! By the way, I love ALL Countachs from LP400 to Annivesario, and to underscore that statement I offer that I have owned, operated, & maintained every production variant that ever came out of Santa Agata. There is no "best" one, but they are all different, and the whole point is that they certainly all have different values, for whatever reason.
     
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    Incorrect.

    Only S1 cars have Bravos.
    S1 cars have the big 45mm Weber carbs.
    Only the first 27 S1 cars have the small aircraft style Stewart Warner gauges.
    S2 cars have the smooth-finish wheels as with all Countachs up to the 1988 1/2.

    As for the market, I gave up trying to rationalize it or argue with it ages ago.
     
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    Now here is a Series 1 with LP400 roof, made that way by the works. The owner thinks its worth more than most S1s....
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    hi sorry hadnt noticed this post in the past, but yes i do have an original manual and also the one for the speakers, being the 6240
    The manual is a fold out one and not sure how well it would scan. is there anything i can get from it for you?
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  23. Jalpa_Mike

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    Dang!

    I'm trying to find someone who has an Alpine 7273 Owners Manual (1986 5000QV) that they can scan for me. Its been like looking for a needle in a haystack! :-(

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    Ok, as I'm trying to find a simple way to remember this, then any low-body without Bravos and 45mm carbs is an S2, then? Do the smooth rims have to be the Campagnolos or not?
    If so, and the rims/carbs is the breaking point between S1 and S2, what if somebody puts Bravos (rare) and 45mm Webers (plentiful) on an S2? Does he then have an S1 and a much more valuable car? Something still doesn't seem right about that.....????
     
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    Yes S2 cars have Campagnolos with the bigger port-holes than the later OZs that went on LP500Ss.

    Dont assume that any car with Bravos is an S1. A later car can have them put on, and Eurospares sells replicas. So you really have to check the chassis number and it has to be pre-1121100.

    All S1s have 45mm Webers, but my understanding is some S2 cars have 45mm Webers too. The cut-off is something I am yet to ascertain.

    No, putting Bravos & 45mm Webers on a later car doesn't mean you have a S1! For example, if you upgrade a Miura P400 to a Miura SV, you still have a P400, that has now been modified. Modifying a car does not change what that car was built or manufactured as.
     

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