Another Fchatter not held in high regard

Looks like a replica Zimmer.

 

I would have at least sent a few tubes of JB Weld along with it...



GT

 

That wheel is disgusting - looks like it has been in salt water for a long time - that guy will be known for this forever - lots of luck

 

Where's the rest of that dilapidated barn find?

If the guy isn't paying up under this pressure then he probably never will. The damage has been done and I'll bet the money has been spent. He might have had a decent wheel for you at some point but now down to this one as the "robbing Peter to pay Paul" game came to a close. He'll just resurface under a new alias somewhere. Don't give up chasing the guy down.

 

That's true enough. Appreciate your clarification.

I was just wondering if I missed that day at Law school when defenses to defamation claims were taught!

Thanks,

CW

 

Ha, ha, Jay, now I know how you fund all those mods

 

I'm 99.9% sure we do!

 

whats REEEEEEEALLY sad is that all of this bashing and anger and tension is over 400$. LOL i eat almost that much money up in candy a month. not that im rich but dangmost people on this site probly make more than that on interest in there savings account a month..

I KNOW I KNOW it is the principal!

both parties KNOW what took place but only one seems to be saying.

308 make it right if you falsely represented...

MB eat the 400 if you knew it wasnt the wheel you wanted but thought weel maybeitllbe okay...

i wasnt there so YOU BOTH need be honorable

 

Looks to me like he's in kahoots with a guy from souther Va. I bought some crap from for my mondi and when it arived I called telling him so, He then says "you " bought it it's yours sell it if you want. Too many of these Jerks out there.

 

He most likely already has.....

 

Really? So if the candy you ate was rotten/bad/what have you, would you feel that that $400 was a waste or would you still eat it, even though there is a MASSIVE possibility of it injuring you.

If this happened to you, I'm sure you would think way differently.

 

+.1

 

.1?

Do you really wanna see?

 

Art and CW - every other consideration aside, I'd be scared to sell a possibly defective part to someone without a written disclaimer/release/something. In fact, I'm not sure I'd be willing give it away; I once refused to sell 10 year old Porsche air bags to someone. Is there no liability for selling a defective part in a nondealer private transaction?

 

It is hard to say what really happened when we only have one side - not to say MB is lying, but we always have our own version of the facts which are favorable to our side.

It is troubling that the other party has refused to put his side forward, however. It could be that he feels people have jumped on him with judgement before his side has come out, so it would probably be best for people not to jump to the conclusion that he's a scammer until he has offered up a solution.

On a side note - and I don't necessarily mean this applies to the accused party - but I have noticed that people can often be quite liberal with their descriptions or with ethics when it comes to making a sale. There are some items I collect, and in the collectors market, words like "mint" and "perfect" have specific meanings. I received an item that I paid a few grand for, listed as mint, and it was trashed. The sellers justification was "it's mint considering it's 20 years old!". Wrong.

The plus side is that a man who is a real man and a man of his word has a very simple and utterly incontestable avenue available to him whenever such a situation arises... and that is "I will give you back your money". I've done it a few times in my work, and I don't believe there is anyone out there that could say I sold them something less than advertised, because I have always 100% of the time been happy to take something back. Doesn't mean I would always pay shipping both ways, but it seems MB is willing to pay shipping back, so it seems there is zero obstacles to a refund.

In that case, both parties could be sore about having been out some $$ for shipping, but the seller who believes his item is worth the $400 has his item, and the buyer who feels the $400 is more valuable than the item, has his $400.

If the seller refuses to take this course of action, I think most people would have to assume he knows the item is not worth $400 and if you misrepresent something in order to defraud someone into paying a higher price, you are a scammer.

I am sure the seller is not a scammer, so it seems the solution is obvious - refund and return of the item. What could be more fair?

hopefully he will contact MB or post soon to let us know this is what is happening.

 

I was adding it to the 99.9% to make it 100. Humor isn't my strong suit.

 

At this point, we've hashed out as much as we can, don't ya' think?

Until 308GTS responds, there's not really much more to say.

why not leave this alone until tomorrow, give him time to talk offline with MB and see if there's a resolution that won't cost anyone any more reputation points.

DM

 

HA! ok that did sound pretty funny I guess it was an estate thing...but I'm suuuure she'd be happy to know she funded Fabspeeds!

 

I dunno Dave.... I'd pay 400 clams to ride in that sweeeeeet Zimmer Golden Spirit thru Sun City and pick up vintage chickies.


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No matter WHAT the "other side of the story" might be, the buyer is dissatisfied.

And I think that there is a consensus here that he is right to be.

The seller's silence speaks volumes: Even if he claims that he never would have sold a part that he knew to be defective/unsafe/utterly trashed, the fact remains that he has sold his reputation, permanently, for $400 that probably won't last long. (He11, he's probably already spent it!)

I suggest that a thread or "sticky" be created for people who have had positive experiences when dealing personally with other F-Chat members, whether the interaction involved parts, recommendations, or maintenance or repair tips.

Personally, I have had very positive experiences with F-Chatters who have PM'd with technical know-how and service recommendations. I have even been involved in a few purchases. I'm pleased to say that every one of these transactions has been conducted honestly, and I'm distressed to think that there might be people here who would take advantage of one another.

We're a small community, and a community that can not afford nor allow its members to rip each other off.

 

WCH,

I would argue that you are offering the item in "as is" condition. Selling used automobile parts is not your primary business, and you offer no implied or actual warranty or guarantees. But, of course, that should be mentioned in the documentation. It's their responsibility to test the item prior to putting the unit into service (if that's possible). That said, the price should reflect the relative uncertainty of functionality. I assume that you weren't asking the same as a dealer for the parts in question. Do they have expiration dates? Interesting question you pose, though. You can't just look at the parts and know they're damaged, in contrast to this instance. But, if you purchase used suspension parts, do you have them fluxed? How far does one go? You, as the seller, could have them tested and advertise them as such. Again, the asking price should reflect that.

In the recent transaction I mentioned, I retained someone to do a visual inspection of the parts. I examined photographs that were sent prior to negotiating a price. I requested and received the history of the parts (of course, there's no way to verify the story). I assume we'll have the metallurgy checked out before putting the parts into service. But, in the end, I take the initial risk that these parts aren't going to be kosher, and that I will have to seek redress if the parts are not "as advertised". That could mean unwinding the deal, or adjusting the price after-the-fact. Either way, doing so would be a huge pain. So, it's always better to get it right before the money changes hands.

CW

 

First off...

Matt, you are have LOST YOUR MIND for not asking for pics of the part before sending any cash. Hell, I have sent back clothes from Sears for not looking like the photo. You dont do that for a car part?? For a Ferrari?????? Dummy. {slap}

But you are right... no one in their right mind would sell that. I will have to look, but it would not surprise me that there is a law applicable to this that would say something like "a car part must be disclosed to be in unsafe condition to install before sale." Which would be the tactic I would take if I were a lawyer. I.e., Greg is taking a serious risk that you were not so dumb as to install it and then kill yourself on the road. I dont know too many people that open them selves up to wrongful death suits....

But that is just my opinion(s).


Oh and this crap.....

Oh gods damn it.... you know how many "Hate PM's" I have got because of that???

 

OK, bottom line.

every transaction comes with an implied warning, "Buyer beware."

No pictures exchanged prior to the sale? = no ability to support the argument on either side as to condition, and any agreements based on condition.

Seller=stuck unless buyer=reasonable guy.

There's a chance he thought the wheel was usable, and that his price was reasonable for a wheel in that condition. Who knows, he's not posting.

Time will tell, hence my request to lay off the topic for a day, let him respond in private and work it out.

DM

 

Like you don't deserve them for at least something you've done here in the last month ot two??

D

 

My guess would be not a one.......