Another Fchatter not held in high regard

Thats a great idea for a few useless wheels I have laying around the house

 

That is not apparent at all from the 2 pics I am looking at. That is my whole point. While there is some apparent cosmetic issues on the underside of the wheel, I cant say for sure that its ability to work as a SPARE is negated(does that corroded area mount on the hub of the wheel or is the wheel just located on the hub with lug nuts-that is the part I am unsure of). If the wheel was cracked then it would be a different story. Evidently both parties have not agreed on the forseeable usage of this wheel, hence this long, drawn out, one sided thread.

 

I must respectfully disagree with you. To me, the photos reveal a wheel suffering from severe corrosion. This appears to be backed up by the OP's claim that the wheel is not repairable.

Apparently, you see something different. Of course, if everyone looked at a picture and saw the same thing, there wouldn't be a Rorschach test

 

Are you serious??!!??!!
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Make sure you ask for a picture of the $400 and make sure the money is in usable condition before you send the wheel.

 

Not trying to be a di%^, but you obviously do not know much about wheels or cars if you can not clearly see the corrosion is in the HUB area where it MOUNTS to the car..... A cosmetic issue would be a scrape, roadrash, gouge or some minor pitting on the surface--this is NOT cosmetic damage....The integrity of the wheel has been compromised and it is pretty clear to 99% of the guys who have seen the picture.....

Based on the pics--would you feel confident putting it on your car and driving??? It is only one sided because the seller has refused to participate privately or openly on this thread.. No fault of the buyer, that rest with the seller....

 

I think JayF is playing devil's advocate here.

I would not consider mounting that wheel, considering the safety risks that are obvious from a visual inspection sufficient to judge it as unsafe. Receiving an opinion from a reputable wheel specialist that it is neither repairable nor serviceable would clinch it.

JayF, while I respect your right to express a different opinion, the fact remains that the OP was dissatisfied with the wheel. In that case, he is entitled to a refund. Customer's not happy, for WHATEVER reason, give him his money back. Simple equation.

And if it is, in fact, worth $400 (not even the $800 that the seller claimed), then the seller would be out nothing by accepting the return - the buyer even agreed to pay shipping costs!

My impression is that Daniel stepped up to help out a fellow F-Chatter - a tremendous gesture that has elevated his reputation in the eyes of most of us here. The fact that he is willing to pay $400 for the wheel FOR USE AS FURNITURE says nothing about its actual value as a wheel.

 

+1!

 

To those who claim that the wheel in question is serviceable just look up "hub centric"

Hub Centric:
Definition: A wheel that is centered or located on the hub by a machined center hole-as opposed to "lug centered" wheels that are located by the position of the lug nuts alone.

The operative phrase here is "machined center hole"

In this case the machined center hole has been eroded to the point of being useless therefore the wheel is worthless as a road wheel, even as a spare.

Coffee table, air hose hanger, yeah,..... wheel on a car, not a chance.

 

Also don't forget guys that Matt took this to a couple of shops and their opinion was that this wheel is unsafe:

 

That picture looks like something Ballard found on the Titanic wreck.
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Ah, yes. As if a visual inspection weren't enough (and I certainly think it would be to most people who care at all about their safety), not one, but TWO professional wheel experts confirmed it.

And even if the damage were purely cosmetic, the seller has the right to say he's not satisfied and expect his money back. As I said before: Customer's not happy, he gets his money back.

End of story.

 

LOL! Classic!

 

Jay, while I respect your perspective, I disagree. If Matt does not ask for a picture, that does not mean that the seller is off the hook for deceiving him. Perhaps Matt assumed the deal was in good faith and did not require a picture - afterall, this is a wheel we are talking about, a safety issue, not a cosmetic product such as a door panel for example. Therefore, in this case, an opinion of "good" for one individual may be "bad" for another does not apply here, and the issue of "safety" here does apply...and safety is universal ----> it is either safe or it is not. In this case, it is not, therefore Matt should be able to send this back for a 100% percent refund, no questions asked. The seller had plenty of opportunity to give his version of what happened, and he did not....so his failing to refute Matt's version and provide his story is a very strong indication that he is at fault. Also, Matt sent him some private messages and he did not respond. I don't think there is another version to this story or else we would have heard it by now.

 

The pic of the wheel is clearly the smoking gun here. For the perp to spin this any other way and not refund the money including shipping is demonstrating he's a scum bag, period. If he intends to never make things right he deserves to be totally ostracized by the community. Not cool in any shape or form.

In the old days a scam like this would go pretty much unnoticed and the guy could get away with it numerous times. Not any more. Keep any eye out for him to resurface under an alias trying to do a similar thing.

 

+1

So here is what I did with an un-useable rim
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John,

That looks great!

Mike

 

Jay:

Let's give you the benefit of the doubt on the attitude. However, given the picture and the intended usage, there is no way that this wheel is usable on a car. My plane got three new wheels this year, with far less damage. Indeed, the picture of this wheel indicates that it's got severe damage and is probably structurally damaged. Add to that the opinion of two mechanics that it is unsafe, and you've got a seller that sold something that shouldn't be sold.

Art

 

I think the hose reel is an outstanding idea.

 

That looks outstanding. Giving me some ideas.

 

All the talk about whether the wheel is safe for use or not is purely semantics. It just doesn't matter at all. The bottom line is the buyer was not happy with what he received, should have been allowed to return it to the seller, and the seller should have refunded any money exchanged. Plain and simple, conversation over. Anyone who sees this any differently please speak up so I can make a note never to do any business with you!!

 

A simple request by the man to have his money returned is sufficient and should not require a case study in economics or semantics, nor collateral vindication of the original intent or character of either of the men in this issue.

He simply asked for his money back and should get it, how hard is that?

This is especially true consdering the apparent unstated code of 'extra integrity' that attaches to being in the F-Chat community, if indeed there is such a thing.

The tail is wagging the dog.

 

+1

What makes the whole thing even more sickening is it was an "intra-community" deal.

A scum-bag seller on Ebay may be able to get away with it, but not in this case.

 

Agreed. I always want my buyers to be happy whether a business deal or private deal. The buyer doesn't like it, refund the money. Selling stuff is what I do for a living. There is an old saying that "bad news travels fast". These days, bad news travels at the speed of light!

Dave

 

That's really all there is to it.