Another Fchatter not held in high regard

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Now now, enough of that!!

 

Sadly 308 spares ride "face down" in the trunk, so that would be "ugly side UP" in this case!

 

Bid sniped, AGAIN!!!

 

The hub centric part is the cone, lower down in the hub.......not the corroded part of the casting. But you'll notice the corrosion in the lug bolt areas.

Even with the steel inserts there, I'd say you are headed for tears to try to use this casting...

 

Tex, I thought you always said: "If they are too ugly, just flip 'em over!".

 

That's why this particular one rides in the trunk, obviously!

 

Life is too short, to dance with ugly ones at all.......

This thread has me wondering about one set of mine "powdercoated"......I'm going to check them out....they were NOT properly primed, it's peeling off...

 

KKSBA, that's some funny stuff!!!

 

Nope, sorry TEX,

The Hub-Centric part is the first 8 mm, of the machined hole.
That wheel is junk.
(My wheel is correct, and it is for sale....)


PM me,
Edwardo
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Hmmmm, ok...and yours has the OEM green primer!

He should buy it, if he wants a space saver!!

 

Indeed. Some people never factor in Karma to their decisions nor future ramifications.

Makes no sense to me at all why people behave this way.

Cheers

 

I was going to just stay outta this one. I had “No Dog in the Fight.” And besides, my opinion doesn’t matter much anyway.

But then I saw the two posts quoted above and I glanced to the upper right of my screen. Know what I saw? Look at yours. Up there …. In small letters, below FerrariChat. The last word … that dagnabit, that MADE IT MY BUSINESS …. made it EVERYONE’S business.

NOTE: IF you are a Moral Relativist and don’t have a single thing you’d take a stand on as an “absolute,” you should stop reading now as you’re wasting your time by reading further and I cannot give you your 3 minutes back..



[steps on soapbox]

Bullfighter is technically correct. Yet he is VERY Wrong (IMHO). I bet; however, he was just being syndical.


Fan512bbi on the other hand is VERY Right.


Although Rob has not yet given us his stated vision for FerrariChat (ALL good commanders/leaders/etc., in all forms of business do that BTW) I feel I can justly say that he Wants a “Community” here.

With “Community,” comes rights; the right to be heard, the right to be taken seriously; rules (TOS); standards of conduct; an expectation of TRUST, of sincere attempts of help (offered and asked for) when needed and a common shared enthusiasm, moths drawn to the flame called FERRARI. Sadly, punishments should one “stray” must also exist.

All this when properly applied fosters a sense of “Belonging” aka: “Community.” The advantages here within our “Community” environment are incalculable. We all have learned things here from fellow members whom we would have otherwise NEVER met and consequently NEVER learned.

“Community” does not mean we all have to like each other, hell, there are one or two I really am not fond of (same can be said about me too I am sure), but I do RESPECT them as people. I can have a heated discussion with someone in PR and offer them my help and support in the technical section not 2 minutes later. This board is famous for that very adult behavior. Name another site half as good. I cannot.

The F-Chat Police and Mods and a bunch of “Concerned Citizens” of this community are some of the things in concert with the vast majority’s trust and honesty in word and deed that make this a “Community” very unlike the other many mindless “EnthusiastChat.com’s” of the Net. Most of those are just “Dick-Measuring Contests” with absolutely ZERO useful content or information. This place is V E R Y different. It is a cut way above and MUST remain so to survive.

If we want a “Community” atmosphere where you can trust, learn to feel for and care about your neighbors, then acts like the one that started this thread must be dealt with immediately.

If we want to see F-Chat die and degenerate as many other on-line “non-communities” have, let things like this go unresolved.


Our mantra should read: “Everyone is welcome here, but remember, an FerrariChat member does NOT: lie, cheat or steal or tolerate those that do.”


Does “F-Chat” stand for “F-ker-Chat” or “Fraud-Chat,” “Faker-Chat,” etc., or does it stand for “FerrariChat - The OnLine Ferrari Community?”

Just asking.


[steps off soapbox, tips hat]

Good Day ….

 

Shooooot...in only took me two minutes to read that!

I agree 100%.

I wish the owners area was more well-developed, but it has so few posts it's not worth going in there much.

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to do away with Silver and Rossa and just have one subscribed area that costs $25 per year.

Maybe slightly fewer people, but more quality.
Just thoughts here.

 

Well-said, Mark!! *applause*

Possibly... but I see Rossa members chatting all the time in Silver - and the only people you might exclude charging an extra $10 a year for a unified members area are going to be the younger or student/poorer members. You might move the demographic a little, but I'm not sure that guarantees better quality.

I would point out that I'd still fall into the "student" category for the next few months, but that might be a self-defeating argument.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

mwr4440,

It's a free country, and you can transact deals any way you so choose. If you wish to trust people implicitly because they've posted on Fchat, that's your prerogative. However, you may come to regret it and end up with nothing in your pocket but lint. I'm not saying it's right. I'm not saying that we need to be paranoid and assume everyone's out to take you to the cleaners, either. But, in the end, it pays to be cautious. If you don't vet the deal appropriately, you might be posting here next. Sorry, but that's life in the big city.

CW

 

out that crook...that wheel would not pass d o t specs,so it should be illegal to sell without an "as is " signed certificate...im a d o t inspector

 

308GTS took 110% advantage of the buyer. He knew going into the deal that he could NEVER EVER sell that wheel for $400 unless he purposefully withheld important details about the condition. He entered into an agreement and let the buyer make payments with full knowledge that there would probably be fallout after the wheel was received. By not responding to e-mails or other private mediums, he has shown his hand. In my books, this guy is a greedy crook that obviously needs money more than a conscience.

308GTS you should be thankful you didn’t sell it to someone a little more old school…. That POS wheel would have been returned to you via your living room window.

 

Understand your overall point completely.

But "NO" you cannnot conduct a deal "...anyway you want." Not ethically or morally you cannot. BUT there are many out there who will try. And with the very misguided notion that all Ferrari owners are rich, make makes us HUGE targets for rip-off artists. Things like this can and will happen ..... again and again, repeatedly.


But we, OUR F-Chat COMMUNITY must NOT endorse it in any way shape or form. Doing and saying nothing is a form of endorsement in this type of case.

We collectively "hammer" lots of scamers and posers and all kinds of scoundrals here. IF Greg now falls into that category regardless of why, regardless of his history here, he should get the "F-Chat Hammer" too. He has had too many chances to clear this all up.

He did not. He took the scoundlal's way out.


I will not "hunt" him, but if I should ever find him on another site anywhere, I'd out him in a NY minute.




To (mis)quote a famous individual:


Q: "What kind of a Site do we have?"

A: "A Community, Ma'am. If you can keep it."


V/r
mwr

 

You're correct. I should have more carefully drafted my comment. I meant, that you, AS A BUYER, can choose to trust or distrust the seller. A seller only may have duties under the law. But, again, it reverts back to Caveat Emptor. If you, as a seller, choose to waive that warning, you do so at your own peril. I didn't mean to say that deals should be transacted in an amoral or unethical fashion. In the Wild West, you didn't buy a horse without looking at its teeth. Good advice to follow.

And, I do agree that if a fraud is committed, in a COMMUNITY, that fraud should be made widely known so as to protect others and prevent them from dealing with someone who committed that fraud. At least, if they choose to deal with that party, they should take whatever precautions they deem necessary.

CW

 

WRONG...

Nothing excuses selling something you KNOW to be less than 100% without disclosing it.

Taking advantage of someone's trusting nature is wrong in every language you care to name... let's see if your next paycheck bounces because your company neglected to tell you there's no gold in the coffers... don't come crying to us...guess you should have done your due diligence...I believe this falls into the same category.

Besides unscrupulous people are unscrupulous people. Even if the buyer had demanded pics, what's preventing the seller from sending pics of someone elses merchandise? This falls into the same category.

Something to consider.

The seller is wrong and should take back and reimburse the buyer. THAT would be the RIGHT thing to do...if not, get rid of him for he casts a dark cloud on the community as a whole...

Letting this go sets a precedent and subconsciously sets an example.

In the military we would have made an example out of him to prevent others from doing the same. This is the definition of discipline. Do the wrong thing and you get punished. Do the right thing and you are rewarded... this is what many religions have taught for thousands of years and has allowed mankind to thrive and multiply (by looking out for the good of the community).

 

I can kind of see the counter point here a bit. This transaction had been dragged out over several months and for the buyer to not ask for a pic, even to bide the time seems foolish. It's akin to tossing the $400 in cash in an envelope and mailing it without thinking much of it. You're just leaving yourself open for people who have no ethics. The seller saw this that's why he tried to pawn off a damaged wheel. Not to excuse the seller but if it were me I'd be asking a few more hard questions before shelling out the dough. Common sense really. There's lots of scum bags hovering around F-chat so you can't rely on that one in the least.

 

Does he have ANOTHER wheel????

 

Not sure what I'm wrong about. Don't think that I disagree with anything you've said. It will never be a perfect world, though, and we have to deal with that. As a reality. There are unscrupulous sellers out there. Even here on Fchat. I'm just saying that it pays to be careful, and if you aren't, you may be entangled into something like this.

It would be wonderful if salesmen were completely forthcoming, but they're not. So, it pays to protect oneself, doesn't it? It pays to be vigilant. If you get sloppy and cut corners, because you over-trust someone, who's to blame for that?

You can't protect yourself completely. Ever. And, your examples of an employer that goes bust and doesn't pay their employees or a dishonest seller who does a bait-and-switch on are exactly on point. It can happen. However, if you take the proper steps, you can minimize the risk that you'll get left holding an empty bag.

CW

 

I believe we both see eye to eye on things here and I agree with what you say about due diligence to the fullest extent possible. Danger should be minimized if not eliminated altogether.

Unfortunately as both of us agree, there are unscrupulous sellers that mislead or otherwise take advantage of buyers by any means possible...and those sellers should be made an example of so that they cannot hurt others...

The great thing about the internet and communities in general is that unscrupulous bad apples are outed. This prevents them from taking advantage of other members of the community.

The seller has had NUMEROUS opportunities to present his side of the story and/or make things right by canceling the transaction and instead has neglected to do so...

This looks bad from every angle...

 

Bottom line...........

If 308GTS is willing to lose something very precious (his reputation) over $400. that's all I need to know.

If I did something similar in my business, the powers that be would come down hard on me.

There are no excuses. Buyer is not satisfied, refund the money. Easy really.

Dave