Which V-8 car will become the most desired

Your argument is based on reliability. You can spend a few million for a California 250 GTO and probably the car is not reliable compared to a 348. Its value is set by car collectors and supply vs. demand.
My point is you don't buy a Ferrari for its reliability; you buy it for its name and mystic.
Some cars are just typecast for example, Porsche 928 - Tom Cruise Risky Business.

 

Luca di Montezemmolo is a fool and no idea how he became CEO of a brand name that sells itself.


PS. 430 rear looks like a frog..

 

No offense taken, I agree with you regarding the 911. Porsche there is substitute.
I thought they use Magnaflow for pick up trucks. Secondly, you should move out of your redneck state and live a little.

 

Troll alert!

 

A frog? Please draw your vision of it and post it up.

 

Testa, ni caso.

 

I usually tease the guys that say their cars are "rare" by telling them all that means is that no one wanted to buy them when they were new. (Obviously this does not apply to cars that are rare because they were ultra-expensive when they were new.)

 

5 308's

6 911's

3 Lamborghini's

+ others.

in the last 3-4 years.

how many have you owed and paid cash for again?

 

As Donnie Brasco would say "Forget about it!", Camaros are piece of junk

 

impressive collection.. from your list its quite obvious Porsche is the top of your list. now go back to toys r us and get the Carrera GT.


just joking..

 

and therfore theres no point of keeping your 328.

 

So you disagree that they are highly desirable and pricey or you just wanted to throw in your opinion of the car?

And I believe Donnie Brasco would have said "fuggedaboudit"

 

I think the reason the GT4 never went through the "wild mass public enthusiasm" and "obsolete wouldn't be caught dead in one" phases is because it is basically a conservative design. I don't mean that negatively. There isn't much about it to hate, really.

The TR, in contrast, was one of the fantasy cars of the '80s, but now has fallen from favor.

I think, because you own a 348, you may not be taking as objective a view as you would if you didn't currently have one. When I had my 328, I caught myself slipping into the same train of thought, so I'm not faulting you. But I disagree with you.

Now that I'm Ferrari-less, and have spent quite a lot of time on FOC drives, at FCA/FOC events, etc., I have a fair perspective on the regular production Ferraris. It's no longer a money thing, or a pride-based-on-value thing. They're all cars to me, and I will call a spade a spade.

As far as reliability, yes, it does affect collector car value. If you go back a few decades and compare the early Porsches (1955-1973) to British cars of the same era, you'll be astonished at how cheaply you can pick up a Jaguar E-Type, Austin Healey 3000 or Triumph TR-anything. OTOH, a really good early '70s 911S is going to push six figures now. What appeals to old car guys about the Porsches is that you can drive them and expect to reach your destination. I love the Austin Healey 100Ms, but it's the kind of thing you put in your fourth or fifth garage, and you buy a trailer and marry a mechanic at the same time.

With Ferraris, the 308 and especially the 328 seem to have relatively few design complications that compromise reliability. That does increase desirability, especially in light of Ferrari repair costs. It is true that you can retrofit a better alternator, better 355 manifolds, etc., and make these cars better. The 348/355 board on FChat has many guys who know the tricks to improve the cars and keep them on the road. But, for every one of them, there are probably 500 or 1000 who are more like me: busy professionals who have always loved Ferraris but don't have the time, inclination or skill to isolate a bad electrical connection, dicey ECU, bad battery where you have to disassemble the car to get at it, etc.

So, a long way of saying that over the long haul it comes down to looks and dependability (and NOT performance), in the eyes of the market as a whole. Among '80s and '90s Ferrari buffs, I'm sure the 348 and 355 will always have hardcore fans. Among the population of guys with some money who want to get into an older Ferrari, I think you'll see the 328 float to the top, with the F430 an honorable mention for those who like their cars more digital.

 

I don't understand. Your comment does not logically follow my statement. Surely you can troll better than that!

 

I have to disagree with your premise regarding objectivity. I think it is essential to own a Ferrari to make a fair objective with similar marques.
I have experience the 355 & 360 and my conclusion is both have reliability problems. Coincidentally, have similar issues - Check engine light, leather melting, hot vs. cold starts, elect problems, brake lever, slow down light, oxygen temp, etc.
Ferrari has its own market and immune to economic woes, the sellers dictate the selling price.
Lastly, you don't buy a Ferrari for its reliability but for its enjoyment. It’s a love and hate relationship.

 

ok...OK...who are the 7 knuckleheads that voted for the Mondial?

 

Mondial owners!

 

I voted 308 GTB/S strictly based on lines.

 

1. I own a mondial t 1989- did they really only build 41 cabriolets as one post mentioned?

2. The bias of the thread is certainly toward appreciation of what you own or you wouldn't have bought it, but it is interesting how certain models keep reappearing.

3. The magnum pi show was the first introduction for many Americans to Ferrari, myself included, and the 308 also made the "justification for higher education" posters that hung on many of our walls as kids (I'm one of the kids who grew up in the 80's). The Ruf yellow bird 911 and countach round out my top three.

4. The 355 appeared in James bond golden eye and that was more than a cameo. The Mondial t was clearly key in scent of a woman. The Aston martin db5 is forever linked to bond. So, I drive and maintain cars because they are fun to drive/track/cruise in, but the exposure in films is not irrelevant as some indicate and this may factor into long term value. I certainly don't know, but the fact that a car has a significant role in movies does speak to how significant it is or was its time. People don't see a lot of ugly movie stars or ugly featured cars.

5. Every generation thinks that the next has lost something and there will be no one to carry on the torch. I think it will be okay. I grew up reading road and track, car and driver, excellence, andautoweek. I bought an MG because every writer seemingly thought the world of sportscars ended with MG. I bought a 1971 MG midget before my Ferrari and despite being older than me, out of production before I was born, slow as molasses (0-60 in 20sec) and devoid of any feature I thought should be standard (synchomesh, accurate tach, accurate fuel guage, power anything) it was a blast. The sounds were great, the handling was horrible, but fun and accleration felt swift from the drivers seat only. The key to collectibilty starts with the combination of looks, associated memories, how it makes you feel. If it does well in these then rarity comes into play. I think the 308/328/Late mondials
do well here.

6. The high volume v8 cars are not extremely rare, but cars pregalvanization are dissappearing quickly so that could change. Tinworm is not an issue for later cars so I suspect more will survive into posterity.

 

It had a better cameo roll in the movie "The Rock". This movie made in the same year as Golden eye showcased the 355 spider in all its glory. Many were introduced to the F355 after watching that/this. Check it out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqqZ9dbWzD4

 

Since you insist... but only as it applies to the type pictured below.

Lot's of Cabs... but only 41 U.S. Spec Coupes.

This ad claims that there were only 40 1989 Ferrari Mondial t Coupe
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Very nice. I wish I still had my 83QV Coupe.

 

Beautiful mondial t (not an oxymoron)!

 

An Austin Healey 100M is at least a $135k a car, for an ok one. I buzz around in a 100 all summer for the past couple of years - without an issue. I get your point, but the British marquees have overcome there reputations. Jags and Healey's pull in big $$ now.

I agree that performance is a non issue with a classic car, but the overwhelming reason to buy a classic is a pure emotional connection, or lust for the beauty of the car. If you're going to spend good money on a classic car, and find one that was well taken care of / restored, dependability is a non-issue. The 355 is too good looking of a car not to become a highly desired car 30 years from now.

 

10 years is way too soon for that value. The 355 has at least 10 years of flat value ahead of it.