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  1. isetta308

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    #1 isetta308, Feb 23, 2010
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    I bought my 1977 308 GTB about ten years ago. Back then the car had all of the obvious oil leaks (cam shafts and such). Once the 60K maintenance was done, except for a few small drips now and then, no leaks.

    About a year ago, after I drove the car and parked, I noticed that a puddle was starting to appear on the floor. The oil was gear oil. I have a car lift and raised the car and noticed that the leak was coming from the clutch housing. I pulled the clutch housing and changed out the three "O" rings and wiped everything down to remove the oil everywhere. This did stop the trany fluid leak.

    But now I have a smaller puddle but now its engine oil. I put the car back up on the lift and cannot find the source of leakage. It does not leak oil on the lift but if I drive it and stop it starts dripping oil and leaves a small puddle about three inches diameter. The oil is somehow being sprayed everywhere and is dripping off of the driver side frame and the front of the engine bay/starter motor and header are all wet with engine oil (none of the cam seals are wet). It appears that it could be venting from the clutch housing but doesn’t appear to vent when parked. I again have wiped the whole engine area, no leaks sitting still, but once I drove the car and parked, oil everywhere and dripping a puddle.

    Other than this leak the car has been really dry of oil leaks. What kind of oil leak would spray oil everywhere like this and is it possible that I disturbed something when I made the "O" ring repair?
     
  2. AZDoug

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    Firewall side of engine on header and starter suggests cam cover gasket, unless one of your oil cooler lines has a high pressure leak and is spraying that direction, I am sure if it is possible for one of those hoses to get oil all the way up there, but it is a thought.

    Doug
     
  3. 2NA

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    Look at your front distributor while you're checking the cam cover gaskets.
     
  4. pad

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    Check the inside of the bell housing. If it is oily, suspect the rear main seal. Positive crank pressure will blow oil out through the rear main. If that appears to be the case, I would examine the engine vent canister and especially the return line to the sump. Also check the rear head oil drain hose. While it looks like that hose goes into the bell housing, it really is a drain into the sump. Good hunting.
     
  5. isetta308

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    Both are dry and not leaking. Thanks for your reply
     
  6. isetta308

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    I rechecked the cam cover gasket, its dry and I checked the oil cooler lines also dry. thanks for your reply.
     
  7. isetta308

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    When I pulled the bell housing to replace the three "O" rings, the inside of the bell housing was oily. At that time I figured that it was gear oil (since it was thick and smelled like gear oil). The amount that I found was not excessive and just cleaned out the inside of the bell housing (I did not pull the clutch and could not clean behind it).

    Since it should be clean inside, I will re-inspect it for oil. If it is the rear seal leaking, where is all this oil collecting and being sprayed from?

    The vent canister that you mention. Is this the crankcase vapor canister located just above the bell housing and has a hose that goes to the air cleaner and the other hose goes to the front of the engine just below the starter?

    Thanks for your reply...Greg
     
  8. Ferraripilot

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    Bah. Pull it apart and rebuild it. :)
     
  9. BigTex

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    Yes, I agree that sure sounds like an oil line pressurizing when running then split somewhere, but you'd think it would hit the header and smoke like crazy!!!

    Drive it right onto a lift then get under it with a flashlight.

    If the rear main was blowing that hard, behind the clutch, I'd be slipping like crazy!!???
    I don't think that is it.....

    But I'm no expert.
     
  10. BigTex

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    Never dismantle anything still running......LOL!
     
  11. Steve King

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    Take a look at the gear box vent. I found that I would get some oil come out of it once in a while. I ended up putting a rubber hose on it and ran it up to behind the oil cooler. Problem went away. Bottom of the gearbox is dry now.
     
  12. 2NA

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    If the rear main seal is leaking it would be coming out behind the flywheel and being flung out onto the bellhousing or simply running straight down. It might not really get any on the clutch disc.
     
  13. BigTex

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    ahhhhh.....got it....that could still be the culprit then..
     
  14. CliffBeer

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    Isetta, perhaps you have a drip which is falling onto the CVs/axles and then being thrown around the area as you drive making it difficult to diagnose the source. Maybe clean things down, then run the engine in your driveway (without driving) at a couple thousand rpm for a few minutes and see if the source becomes apparent. Just an idea.
     
  15. isetta308

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    That was the first thing we did. Thats what makes it so hard to find. I cleaned everything up and ran (reved the motor up to 2000rpm and down for at least 20 minutes) it on the lift, looking from above and below and could not get the car to leak anything. As soon as we take it out for a drive and come back (and not for a very long drive) it starts its leaking.

    Maybe the higher rpms during shifting and driving is causing the leak appear?
     
  16. cmt6891

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    Since you have eliminated so much....have you checked the shift shaft seal?
     
  17. Euro Quattro

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    #17 Euro Quattro, Feb 23, 2010
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    Mine used to do the same thing and it was the main seal. My clutch never slipped at all but I replaced it while I was in there anyway
     
  18. isetta308

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    Yes I did and it is not leaking. Thanks for replying
     
  19. Peter

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    Check the oil vapour canister that attaches to the bellhousing and it's related hoses...
     
  20. sammyb

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    Funny, my GT4 has a bad oil leak, but its driver's side REAR. I've replaced the cam cover gasket and the dizzy gasket and it's still pooling on the garage floor. I decided to call in an expert (mostly because it's easier to spot and fix on a lift.)
     
  21. isetta308

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    #21 isetta308, Mar 2, 2010
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    UPDATE ON MARCH 3, 2010

    First I want to thank every one, you all have been very helpful in me finding my oil leak.

    Through a lot of persistence and by accident I found the oil leak and confirmed it without taking the car apart.

    I had the car up on the lift with the engine running and my son behind the wheel. I had him revving the motor while I searched. One of you suggested that the leak might be from the shift linkage going into the front of the engine, I had my son rev the motor while shifting gears, even though I did not have a leak there what I did notice was that when he would push in the clutch, the lever directly under the clutch housing (lever #4 where the vertical clevis pin is located) would move and expose this little weep hole in the bottom of the clutch case. I never noticed it before since this clutch linkage is only about 3/8" below the housing and covered the hole perfectly and out of site.

    Oil was slowly dripping out of this hole. What I did was clean the area, placed some duct tape over this little hole and went for a short drive. Upon return I put the car back up on the lift and noticed immediately that everything was dry and when I pulled the tape off to reveal the hole, oil just puked out like crazy.

    The location of this weep hole is perfect to make the mess that this leak was creating. It would drip rearward onto the rear axle and throw oil all the way up onto the oil cooler and the bottom of the engine hood, onto the bottom of both distributors, onto the drivers rear cam shaft seal and the clutch/flywheel would vent the rest of the oil forward onto the starter and header (and of course the driver under side of the engine was wet with oil). This little leak made so many things appear leaking, that weren’t, what made finding this leak frustrating.

    I do not know if you all already knew about this or not, so if you don’t, I included a picture of the vent hole for your reference.

    The first picture shows how small the weep hole is and the second picture shows the location (just to the left of the long stud). The last picture is what a BMW Isetta looks next to a Ferrari.

    Thanks again to everyone...Greg
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  22. jonesdds

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    Very cool, that last picture, thanks for sharing!

    Jeff
     
  23. Peter

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    Thanks for the update. I wouldn't have thought of that, but that makes sense - if the rear main seal goes, at least the bellhousing doesn't fill up with oil and soak the clutch...

    Nice pic of the two cars by the way! ;)
     
  24. Robz328

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    That little car is pretty strong, holding up the Ferrari while you are working on it...you must be in outer space.



    ...good job finding the leak.
     
  25. ramosel

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    #25 ramosel, Mar 3, 2010
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    STOP IT!!! You're going to crush that little car!!

    Good find and fix on your part!!

    Love the Isetta... I have one too, but mine sits on my desk. Funny, its about the same size.

    Rick
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