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Miura, the original supercar

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  1. joe sackey

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    #7304 Olivier NAMECHE, Feb 28, 2010
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    some rumors say it was located in Germany...

    but when you wrote it : "Nevertheless I haven't seen my Lamborghini Prototype since it disappeared from the Lamborghini Factory (1972 - 1973 timeframe)"...

    what do you meant by "disappeared"... vanished/stolen/sold ???
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  4. big ease

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    I did get the number, but it was different on the front and back. Not knowing the cars as well as you guys I removed the number I posted(623) because when checking glen's list for that number it made no sense to me !!!

    Also did not what to post something about his car that was wrong That's why I'm asking you!

    Talking to him and showing him all the places that have numbers on them and then locking the steering wheel, I felt I'd done enough damage for one day!!!

    Did tell him that this was a great place to learn about his car!!!
     
  5. joe sackey

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    Olivier:

    Firstly, just a reminder, those were Doug Call's words, not mine. He commissioned the car and had it built and it was his baby.

    Secondly, if you leave a car with an entity, and a few months later upon checking on it you discover it has "disappeared" without your permission, I think there is only one basic conclusion, don't you think? I have no idea what excuse or reason was given by the factory, or if any legal matter or settlement ensued. I have only Doug's words which Ive posted in full, and we can only draw our own conclusions about what happened.
     
  6. joe sackey

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    Hey Ed.

    Coupla things.

    If you did get the number, why not come on here and share it straight off the bat? Why keep that to yourself, then come on here and ask what production number it is? Wouldn't it simply have been more straightforward to simply share what you found, then ask for verification in addition?

    And how is it you have done any "damage" to the guys car?? It is what it is, and that's not your fault or responsibility is it? I'm just saying this in case that's somehow the reason you were a little shy about sharing the number in the first place. I mean, the car was at a public event, and people who have cars with identity concerns usually have the option to just keep them at home or in storage.

    I just want to reiterate that the etiquette on here is if you learn something and wish to discuss it, please share what you have learned upfront, or don't expect others to share their information with you. Its a two-way thing here.
     
  7. mattymouse33

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    In the picture with Doug sitting in the car, what is the car behind? Anyone?

    Very interesting story!
     
  8. alberto

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    Interesting story. Did he pay for the car and engine? Just wondering since it seems like he wasn't too aggresive about getting it back, at least not on the basis of his note to you.

    Alberto
     
  9. joe sackey

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    No idea, save to say the engine would likely not have been committed and the car not built without payment since it was a private project. And as I have said, he didn't elaborate on how he pursued this with the factory. The interesting thing is the car's existence.
     
  10. Olivier NAMECHE

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    When did Doug contact you, Joe ?
     
  11. joe sackey

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    Last year. He is in Florida now.
     
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    I think (although I am not certain) that this is a car (the red car in Orlando above) that I almost bought in 2002 before I bought 4515 (which is now owned by Adam Carolla). Car was in the Orlando area. I was looking to buy a driver quality Miura S and was working through a Florida-based broker (now out-of-business -- I had not met you yet, Joe!). Had it taken to Ultimate for a PPI and flew down from NY to see it. The first thing Ultimate told me when I arrived at their shop was that it had an SV front end, not an S front end. The owner had not told me that so I was not happy -- I had flown down to Orlando and was paying for a PPI. I did not want a "story" car. When I called him to ask why he had not told me about the SV front end, he said that I had not asked that question (i.e. whether it had an S or SV front end).

    My fault (I guess?) because it didn't occur to me to ask the question (I am an experienced Lambo owner -- have owned 3 Countachs, a Miura S, 2 Espadas, a Urraco, 2 Diablos). He said that the SV front end was original -- that there were interim cars when the S's were finishing up production and the SV's were starting up. I had not heard that before but I guess with Lamborghini, anything is possible. Does anyone know? The mechanical part of the PPI checked out well, but the interior was a little more worn than I was looking for, although clearly original. In the end, the whole SV vs S front end conversation just made me uncomfortable so I passed.


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    Knowing now what you prefer Kirk, you made the right call. BTW the previous owner's "story" about the front end is not correct. An SV front hood upon an S is a post-production replacement item, the reason for which you can only draw your own conclusions. Even Lamborghini had a certain degree of production consistency.
     
  17. Olivier NAMECHE

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    So I'm assuming he is still alive and he will be able to provide you more info or to clarify/define "vanished/stolen/sold by factory " ??? as I'm not good to imagine/guess, I prefer facts...
     
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    I will ask him for you, just so you have peace of mind, OK?
     
  19. MiuraP400

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    I'm not sure I understand your question. The top photo is a P400 and the bottom one is a P400S. The P400 trim is more of a gloss black as shown in the top photo and not a satin finish. However I am sure you already know all this so I assume I missing the point of your question. Are you asking if some are a satin finish instead of a gloss finish?

    Cheers Jim
     
  20. joe sackey

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    Sorry yes, poorly-worded. I'm looking at all the variations.
     
  21. Olivier NAMECHE

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    yes it's quite important to know, there are differences in between all these 3 definitions, isn'it.
     
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  23. big ease

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    By chance would this car be in the plam beach area now?
     
  24. MiuraP400

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    Cool photos, thanks for sharing.

    Cheers Jim
     

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