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Vignale spyder #504 restoration

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  1. Mexico074

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    Hi Ivan...

    Funny, just last week I received a catalog from Pegasus Racing, and noticed they appeared to have a selection of girling parts... I was wondering whether they could be
    used on our cars... Now I have the answer...

    The picture of the Brake Booster you show appears extremely similar, or identical, to the
    two from my 1964 Mistral coupe, which is waiting in the wings... Please keep the pictures coming and explanations as you rebuild this... Where did you find the rebuild kits? Also is/are there part numbers for the E-Type flex hoses you used for the clutch work?

    Excellent work!!!

    Mike D.
     
  2. thecarnut

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    Thanks Don. If you look closely, the lub plaque on that spyder is the larger later style embossed plate with the green background. I believe the plaque on my car was only used on cars built in 1959 and earlier. That means I should be looking at coupes and not spyders.

    Ivan
     
  3. thecarnut

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    Mike,

    The brake booster (aka: servo) rebuilt kit is Girling SP2228. Look at ebay auction 350320132863; $85 (including shipping) seems like a very good price for this kit. It appears this kit might be a reproduction. Auction 310200536716 has the genuine Girling kit for $160.

    This booster was used on virtually every Maserati GT cars in the 1960's ... from the 3500GT thru the early Ghibli. They were also used on the early Lamborghini, a Triumph, and the Alfa 2600. I think even the Volvo P1800 uses this booster.

    As you discovered on your Mexico these things do fail and are not the easiest to rebuild.

    I do not know the part number for the e-type clutch hose, but any Jaguar parts distributor (Welsh Enterprise, XKs Unlimited, SNG Barratt) will have it in stock. I happen to have one in my parts stock but if I only had to buy one, going to MIE and including it in a list of other stuff would be easier. Hunting and matching parts is very time consuming.

    Ivan
     
  4. eogorman

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    I have used Power Brake Exchange in San Jose , Ca 260 Phelan Ave, 95112-6109, Tel 408 292 1305 to rebuild my power brake boosters. Last time was five years ago and the cost was $200. I have the kits but have not been sucessful getting them to work properly
     
  5. mfletch

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    #80 mfletch, Feb 23, 2010
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    Ivan, I can't thank you enough for taking the time to share the pictures and information regarding the hydraulic system. I really appreciate the information on parts availability.

    Eogorman, thanks for the information on the Power Brake Exchange. They were recommended to me by the shop that has my transmission, just a couple days ago.
     
  6. ColdWater

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    #81 ColdWater, Feb 24, 2010
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    Ivan,

    Clearly my knowledge of these more modern cars is limited. :) But since yours is one of the earliest 3500s, perhaps the plate from an A6 could serve as a model ?

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  7. thecarnut

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    #82 thecarnut, Feb 24, 2010
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    Does anyone recognize this windshield washer pump? I am familiar with the foot operated washer pumps but this one is new to me. Perhaps it was also used on the very early 3500GT coupes.

    The pump is labeled BREV FOREDIT on the back. The rubber boot (which is now deteriorated) was crimped over a plastic backing. Based on the construction of the pump I bet it was used on a mass produced car ... perhaps an Alfa or Fiat of that era. Any ideas where this was also used?

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  8. thecarnut

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    Thanks for the tip! I called Power Brake Exchange and the price is now $268, which I think is still very reasonable. They seem to know these boosters well and claim to have manufactured the parts to fix them. Also they bench test the units; which is hard to do if I am rebuilding it myself.

    I am going to wait until I get much closer to needed a working booster as having it rebuilt now and putting it in storage would not be a good thing.

    Ivan
     
  9. mfletch

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    I am shipping my master cylinders and brake booster off to the Power Brake Exchange tomorrow. Thanks again guys.
    Ivan, my windshield washer pump is different than yours. Mine is mounted on the dash on the left side (the large black knob). It is hard plastic on the back.
    Do you know what the correct windshield washer fluid reservoir looks like? I have the mounting bracket, but no reservoir.
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  10. Miltonian

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    The style of your washer pump is identical to one on my 1958 Fiat 600, but your bracket is a bit more substantial looking. The Fiat part number is 4003331, Chris Obert's site says he has 2 in stock at $25.25 each. If you punch up his website you can view a picture by entering the part number in the search box.
     
  11. thecarnut

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    #86 thecarnut, Feb 25, 2010
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    Mark,

    Please let us know of your experiences with Power Brake Exchange, after they are done.

    The fluid reservoir is typically a bag held by two hooks. The distance between the two mounting holes on my bag is 120mm. My bag is labeled FOREDIT (which matches the pump), but I have also seen Cavis bags and their might be other manufacturers. Pull out your washer pump and see who made it. These bags were used on Fiats and Alfas of that era. Finding one should not be too difficult.

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  12. thecarnut

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    #87 thecarnut, Feb 27, 2010
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    It is time to remove the front suspension and steering. I must admit this is one area which I do not find much fun. The parts are always very dirty, tons of brute force are needed to separate tie rods and link ends, and removal of the front springs is a bit nerve racking.

    To remove the springs the shocks first need to come out and sway bar disconnected. An internal spring compressor is used to remove the spring load. Once you are sure the spring is no longer under tension (you should be able to freely move the lower arm up and down a little) then remove the 6 bolts holding the lower plate. The spring, plate and spring compressor comes out as one unit. In one photo you see these three pieces still compressed next to an uncompressed spring. I have seen people remove (or try to install!) a spring using just a floor jack. This spring is under a lot of tension and if it comes flying out ... well .... let me just say it might ruin your day.

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    Well, that spring could take out a few body parts. Talk about ruining your day.

    Can't wait to see that bad boy on the road.

    Ciao,
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  15. PSk

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    When I took a front spring out of my Alfa 1750GTV I thought it had decompressed enough but I was wrong and when the last bolt let go I lost the spring!!!

    Yep the spring just disappeared and I had to search the shed for it and finally found it in the back rear corner!!!!!!!!!!
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  16. thecarnut

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    Pete,

    You were very, very lucky the spring did not hit you !

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  17. thecarnut

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    #92 thecarnut, Mar 3, 2010
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    With all the brake, steering and suspension components out of the way the next step is the nasty job of cleaning the undercarriage. It is time to put on overalls, gloves, goggles and a shower cap. I do not want to scare any little children that might be reading this thread therefore I will spare you with that photo. Just think of an alien monster from a very cheap 1950's sci-fi movie ...

    The undercarriage is very dirty but otherwise in great shape.

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    ....and directed by Ed Wood???? Please, please, pleazzzzze show us!!!!!!

    Ciao!
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  19. Mexico074

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    Hi Ivan...

    so what are the steps you will be taking to re-do the undercarriage?

    Mike
     
  20. PSk

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    Please be really careful with a body/shell only on a hoist as there is not enough weight keeping it firmly on the hoist pads.

    Super dangerous. I suggest firmly connecting the shell to the hoist legs with rope ...
    Pete
     
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    Don't do it, all that grease and oil has kept the car rust free! JK.

    What do you use to clean the underside?
     
  22. thecarnut

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    Pete,

    Very good suggestion! Last thing I need is the car falling on my head.

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  23. thecarnut

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    After cleaning the undercarriage and removing much of the undercoating I plan to use the Eastwood family of products. Start with rust converter, followed with rust encapsulator and finally their Extreme Chassis black. Of course what will actually happen I won't know until I do it.

    The loose parts will be either powder coated or parkerized. I will take photos and post my experiences on this thread.

    Ivan
     
  24. thecarnut

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    Alberto,

    I do think you are correct ... all the grime and oil has served as a protective coating through the years. This car was super nasty in the engine compartment and undercarriage. The first thing I did months ago was pressure washed the car and it is still very dirty.

    My plan is to spray a degreaser (Purple Power) and again use to the pressure washer to remove as much as I can. I hate doing this inside my garage as grease and dirt flies all over the place ... walls, ceilings, tools, my face, my hair, etc. Whatever remains will have to come out with a wire brush, a scraper and a heat gun. Their is nothing glamorous about cleaning an undercarriage.

    Ivan
     
  25. thecarnut

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    Be careful what you ask for ... :)

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