82 GTBI - Anyone know anything about this car.

I don't know the car, but I'm curious to see how that auction goes, as my car is a 1980 clone of that one -- black on black U.S. model GTBi, even with the added QV spoiler. I don't know if I like the wheels, though.

I wouldn't agree that the premium of a QV is $15k; I'd say it's less than $10k, given two cars in equal condition. ...Still too much to justify, but that's another tired topic . . .

Condition-wise, I'd equate a $20k-$22k 2Vi to a $26k-$27k QV, and the mass of $33k-$35k QVs are represented condition-wise by the $25k-$28k 2Vi examples.

 

Looks like a pretty decent car for the money. I noted a few differences / changes from my 82 (39367/10/81 build) clock is on opposite side of temp gauge in console,the warning lights in dash,my upper left light is ''fans on'' not hazard flashers,etc.I thought all 308i 2v had ''80''mph speedo's,louvers in front hood,thought that was a QV addition,horse on front grille. These are not bad things,just noted differences from my car.
Bill

 

The QV items were added by a previous owner.

It'***** and miss with the speedo, I have seen them with both going as far back as 81 (not 81 model years but in pictures I took in 81)

 

I came from the Vette world also,65 big block,70 LT1,Z06.All pretty powerful stuff.I have read all the horror stories about the anemic 2vi's and really don't care. I love my 308 GTSI 2V just the way she is, just purely for the grin factor,it's the only car i've ever owned that i love to drive with the windows down and the radio OFF!
Good Luck!

 

@Shashi - I dont think that the QVs are that much more advanced over the 2V engines. I am VERY much a mechanical novice, but with the help and guidance of the people on this board I feel comfortable getting on and working on my QV.

I have driven both a carbed GTB (#27009) and my own QV (#58027). Both were a blast and I didnt really note that much difference power wise. I didnt get on the GTB like I have my QV, but both feel sprightly and I dont think that you would really feel a HUGE difference between the two. Others may disagree with me with that assessment.

If it looks like a solid car and you feel comfortable and like the colors, etc... then I say go for it and have a blast. You will find a lot of support here and given your other cars I think you might find the 308 to be quite a bit more fun through the twisties than the Vettes.

Good luck!!!


PDG

 

That car was for sale on e-bay in Feb 2009 , , I just save the odd photo and dont have anything on it other than pics.
Here's the shot of the rear with the plate on it ......maybe that will be a help in identifying some of its origins.
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I just came back from a drive in my 2Vi GTBi. Yes, it's quick enough to be fun! I can't really tell by "seat of the pants" that a QV is faster; I know it is, but it doesn't feel any different to me from the driver's seat.

When looking for my first 308, my criteria were not red, berlinetta, and injected. Had a good QV that met these criteria been around (they're scarce in the States) when I was looking a few years ago, I would have bought it; with no 308 already in the garage, my preference would naturally be for the QV, both then and now. But once I had my 2V GTBi, it was plenty good, and I don't think a QV is necessary; I've since had a few opportunities to buy a nice non-red QV GTBi, have the funds to do so, but it isn't worth the price difference to me, much less the hassle of buying and selling. (Besides, if I were looking for a fast exotic in that price range, I'd buy a chargecooled Esprit SE or S4... )

So, to answer your question: No, it doesn't matter to me. For someone to whom a 308 is the car to have (a legitimate view to hold, IMHO), I would think the QV is the one to have; but the 308 is one of several classic cars I own, and I have better things to spend $10k on than bragging rights.


As a side note, since you mentioned 'Vettes, my neighbor across the street has a ('68? '69?) 4-speed 327 Corvette Stingray. Rare color, too -- "Corvette Bronze" or something, but it looks like a rosy-copper color. I took him for a ride in the GTBi last summer. It blew him away. Now he's interested in getting a 308 . . .

 

There is nothing wrong with a 2V. They still have more than enough speed to get you a ticket. For the most part you won't notice a real great difference. A strong 2V set up right runs just fine. A 308 isn't a muscle car. Don't expect it to pin you in the seat unless it isn't stock.

 

The difference between a QV and 2Vi can sometimes be the nut on the steering wheel ...

 

Well, you gota love the Euro QV's... But I'm Biased..None of them are really Dragsters
Your really going to feel the difference in the 1/4 mile.... 8 sec is a long time to wait to cross the finish line...

Performance Comparisions
Model...................0-30....0-60....1/4mile....Top Speed
308 GTB Euro.........2.3.....6.5.....17.0.......154
308 GTS Euro.........2.5.....6.6.....16.6.......150
308 GTB US...........3.1.....7.9.....21.1.......140
308 GTS US...........2.3.....7.3.....19.8.......145
308 GTBi US...........2.5.....7.6.....22.6.......140
308 GTSi US...........2.9.....7.9.....22.1.......140
308 GTB QV-Euro.....2.1 ....5.7.....14.3.......154.5
308 GTS QV US ......2.3 ....7.4.....18.5.......144

 

The 2v engine is a great old engine - as others have said, no 308 is that fast, and frankly, I can't tell any difference between a 2v and 4v behind the wheel.

One thing to keep in mind, when it comes time to do a valve job, a 2v engine is less expensive by quite a bit - it makes a big difference in cost whether your machine shop has to do 16 valves or 32 valves!

For the 20hp difference I'll take the 2v for its relative simplicity and lower maintenance cost.

 

i will add that ALL the 2v cars have sodium filled exhaust valves, which can contribute to them failing from fatigue, and not "abuse". the 4v cars are NOT sodium filled, and as such, do not "need" a valve job based on time.

all of the early carb cars that have not had a valve job are a ticking time bomb, to me anyway. they "will" fail, its a matter of when.

i want another QV, as soon as one of my 3 cars goes.

 

That matches my experience, First time I drove a GTSi I was surprised that I couldn't tell a big difference. It was a short 'back roads' test drive & I a lot of fun, even tho the tranny had badly worn synchros so you had to double clutch every downshift.

I could probably tell the difference when switching between a 2Vi & a similar QV within a few minuites & traveling the same course or track. But with a day in between it would be much harder to tell them apart.

 

Been running sodium filled valves in many, many ferraris and alfas for years - never had one problem yet. If the valves get loose and fail it's not necessarily because they're sodium filled - valves wear anyway, sodium or not. Yes, the sodium does transmit the heat up the stem (exactly as it's designed to do) but it's no ticking time bomb.

When doing a valve job on a car with sodium valves it makes sense to replace with quality stainless, but regardless, the sodium valves do work just fine.

That's a pretty cool 4v car that never needs a valve job no matter how old and tired the engine becomes. I should get one of those.

 

This is the word from Pope Carlo at Alfa of Tacoma. He says sodium valves are not a problem as long as your valve guides aren't worn. If the guides are worn, the valve stems will rock around the loose guides and break. If your guides are tight, no need to worry.

 

Hi Eric, yup, would definitely agree with that. And, if anyone has really, reall extensive "hands on" experience with them it's Carlo. If the valves and/or guides are worn such that there's excessive play then the car needs a valve job anyway, sodium valves or not. In other words, if the owner is living with excessive guide/valve play because the sodium valves have been replaced with stainless (on the theory that the valve therefore won't break), well, go right ahead, but in my book that's just poor maintenance. Just my $.02.

Good guy that Carlo. My neighbor is an Italian fella who coincidentally owns a black 328 and knows Carlo very well. What are the chances two black 3X8s would end up living right next to eachother??? Weird.

 

I think the add stated the belts were changed in 2002 and has only been driven 900 miles in the past 8 years. Maybe that is why the brakes and calipers needed rebuilt from lack of use. You would probably want to replace the timing belts and tensioners.