Location of engine number stamp on a Daytona?

I need to get someone to check & photograph the engine number of a Daytona (in another country) but it seems that there is only the engine type number stamped in the place where the numbers are on the other V12s. Where is the actual engine number usually stamped on a Daytona?
Thanks
Will

 

Approximately 3 to 10 centimeters above the raised boss where the TYPE 251 is stamped. Very difficult to see and to photograph if you do not remove the black engine cover on the right side of the engine. See sample photo here. The "B202" is the internal number for a particular car. The internal number is an EVEN number (no odd # used). Usually starting with letter B and then a two to four digit number, even only. Lowest one I know is B 46, highest one is B 2944.

Marcel Massini
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I disagree. Impossible to see, but very easy to photograph by just sticking the camera in there. Having a small camera helps though. Best wishes, Kare

 

Thanks. They've found the internal number, but where is the actual engine number stamped?

 

Please, correct me if needed, but based on my (somewhat limited) experience and understanding, internal number ("B xxxx") is the engine number and in some (later ?) engines it is also stamped (with larger digits) on the machined boss, which in M.M.'s picture is stamped with "FERRARI 251". And in such case, stamping doesn't include words "FERRARI 251".
Timo

 

Attached photo shows difficulty in accessing the area & getting your camera in there to take the shot. My belief is that is the engine number in this case B 484.
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Marcel
The photo you have posted of engine number B 202 is interesting, the casting seems different just to the left of the numbers, than other photo's i have seen of Daytona blocks?
Grant

 

Hi guys,

I have a rather large pool of various numbers on various Daytona motors.

There were several revisions and clearly far more engines were cast than actually used.

Also more than a few are out of sequence. Records for each Daytona motor that was complete do exist and those fitted from new also have the chassis number of assigned car identified.

I will take a peak tomorrow in my files and see what I can find.

The best way to to see the numbers is with one of the small credit card cameras that has a macro photo mode. Turn the flash off and hold a mag light behind and pointed down below the right rear distributor. Don't try and look directly where you are shooting but rather guess and take a few shots. It usually takes three of four tries but before you know it, you will have got a good image of the boss stampings as well as the "B" number as well.

Cheers,

Bill

 

It's only the European version of the Daytona which has "Ferrari 251" stamped on the smooth raised boss.

On a U.S. version Daytona, the Engine Number (Internal Number) is stamped in TWO locations:

(a) up high as seen in the photograph of B202
AND
(b) on the smooth raised boss.

In other words, B202 is a European version (i.e. it has "Ferrari 251" stamped on the smooth raised boss). If B202 was a U.S. version, the smooth raised boss would read, "B202" instead of "Ferrari 251."

Further, 1971 U.S. version Daytonas (i.e. in the 14xxx serial number range), typically have their Engine Numbers also stamped/noted on the door jamb plate (tag).

 

Most cameras will take a perfect shot with the flower icon macro and flash on. The "hardcore" macro - if there is one - is useless without a tripod. Best wishes, Kare

 

TYPICALLY would be perhaps the key word, since I have pictures of some ('71 / U.S. /"14xxx"), and currently have one such car ('71 / U.S. /"14xxx") in the shop, with their door-jam tag(s) having designated area for such, but not stamped or inscribed at all.
Timo

 

Yes, that's why I said typically. I too have seen the very thing you're describing.

 

I now have the photos, and these show a third number below the type number which I would think this is the 'internal number'. I didn't realise initially that the engine numbers were in the form 'Bxxx' which I think is unusual for Ferrari.
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Hi will,

Where did you get the engine number photo with the "61" ?

I think that is an homologated race engine and therefore quite valuable and special. Could be wrong but that is my best guess based on the photo.

Cheers,

Bill

 

In addition, a U.S. version Daytona in the 14xxx range TYPICALLY also has its Engine Number stamped on the Steering Column Raised Boss (just below where the Chassis Number is stamped).

As most everyone knows, Ferrari, like all other manufacturers, was required by the DOT to provide a "Visible VIN" on all U.S. version vehicles produced post-January 1, 1968. On most 1971 production U.S.-spec Daytonas, this "Visible VIN" pad also contained the engine number, etc.

 

I started making 'Data Shot' .pdfs for Sheehan when I was there. The .pdf is too big to attach here, but here are the images that I used along with the corresponding information.

1. The plate on the steering column that identifies the model type, the serial number and (sometimes) the engine number.

2. The model type and the serial number stamped into the chassis in the engine bay.

3. The engine number, stamped on the block twice, seen from the passenger's side just below the plenums.

4. The data plate on the door jamb showing the serial number and the date of production. Note: this plate does not exist on European cars.

5. The data plate in the engine bay identifying the model type, the serial number and the engine type, located on the passenger's side above the wheel well.

6. The body number, stamped into the chassis, viewable from the passenger's side is the area is cleaned.
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Hi Bill

I don't think the engine is anything special. It was in standard condition when we rebuilt the crashed remains of 13383 (including this engine) into an alloy bodied comp car.

Does no one else have an engine with this extra stamp?

Will