Espada thread

they are the same price approx as eurospares which are toooo much

gary

 

Understood and gas caps would be last on my list given the scope of your project. Perhaps just ahead of authentic Italian air for the tires ... ;>)))

Did you find a picture of your toolkit yet?

Sorry but mine is no shining example with several pieces missing, that plastic donut thing split in half, a worn black canvans bag and the lead knock-off hammer that looks more like an impacted meteorite and it has a broken handle. I did find one of my missing wrenches embedded in the muck of the front nose pan. BTW, Make sure your body guy adds and tests some drain holes up there.

I got a wrench for my knock-offs from Jim Fox along with a 2' breaker bar plus a slip-over piece of pipe. No more beaten up spinner ears. You can make one yourself if you're handy.
Details are stored over on VLG I think in the files section or in the VLG ARchives section? It's based upon very thick leather, rivets and an inexpensive and big pressed steel socket wrench for trucks. Tractors if that sounds more appropriate ...

I think Craig a.k.a. Miuraguy has some pictures of an Espada toolkit on his website. I know I've seen them somewhere.

Bob S.

 

damn Gary that's a nice colour man

 

Bob
I have not seen a toolkit yet yet. I sure would like to get my hand on a knock off tool now that i am about to redo them can you send us on here a pic of yours?

Gary

 

Double espada owner here.

I have one semi-restored S3, and another original s2 I just bought.

Thinking about selling one and doing the unthinkable and doing a ground up restoration on the other. I will likely have the worlds most expensive Espada when done but I think these are very cool cars and underappreciated because so few fantastic ones exist. I think people would really go crazy for one that was freshly restored, and looked like they looked when new. If you consider these cars were as expensive (sometimes more) than a miura and outsold the miura there was a reason for this. I think not many people have seen one "new" and there are so many bad ones out there that this has kept prices low.

Anyway thinking about taking the plunge.

Anyway, if anyone knows someone interested in a nice espada please let me know.

 

Over here in Europe, I have seen one and know of another one in progress (both S1's) that have had the total ground up no cost spared restoration. In both cases the owners can afford it, and they have done out of love for the model, not to make money, which they know is not possible.

 

thanks Phillipe!

how do get the knock offs off without damage?
Gary8394

 

Gary B once mentioned when he was working on my car that a full ground up at his shop on an
Espada would be approx 250k due to the increased number of parts over a Miura.

John
I am nearing the end of what i would call a " monitarily sensible " resto as opposed to a ground up , for the purposes of authenticity and driveability . PM me if you wish and I can detail you some experiences thus far with prices .

Gary
8394

 

My car is 70 miles away Gary so I cannot take any photos right now but here is the a link to the photos Jim Fox posted. I think the socket wrench he started with was made by OTC but I do not know the size. When I'm at my storage garage next I'll try to remember to haul it out.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VintageLambo/photos/album/562428833/pic/701159441/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

I just noticed that the photo has size information on it!!!!!!

There also was a company in Europe that made a very nice socket with nylon interference points in it.


http://www.oldtimertools.com/?p=fluegel
http://www.shop-016.de/Oldtimertools-s22h2-Lamborghini.html?

It's kind of expensive and I think it's gone up about 100 euros since I last looked.

All info sourced on VLG.

But a search based on "tool kit" or "Espada tool kit" yields too many results Gary.
But I didn't try the advanced search though.

Bob S.

 

I know what Gary B suggests. After getting the malformations cause by hammering out of the spinners and refinishing them in either a proper silver paint or chrome I sure wouldn't use a hammer on them.

The wrench system works very slick but is obviously a bigger thing to carry along.

My hammer looked even worse than Philppe's does now.

The PO of my car had also over hammered a couple of them on. With the wrench you have very precise control.

Bob S.

 

Would TrueChoices be able to rebuild the original Countach shock. What they heck are they, Arista or something. My mind is at a total blank. I only looked at then 200 times.

 

Sorry, after searching, I see TrueChoices is a Koni place.

Anyone know of a rebuilder?

 

Call them anyway. They might be able to do it or know where to send you.

Bob S.

 

Hi John,

Please post some puictures if you can.

I can certainly see why the Espada would be more expensive but the idea that it would take $250K to restore one is pretty outrageous. However, there are many pieces from these cars that are just NLA and until the cars reach a resale value of $150-200K I don't think we'll see any reproduction of those parts. I think the mechanical bits for the engine and suspension aren't nearly as hard as the the rest of the stuff. I haven't had to do anything for the trans as yet but my impression is that those will be very expensive. Fortunately those are shared with quite a few models.

As for why it's not as popular. I agree not many have seen a high quality Espada but I have seen quite a few in the last 30 years. I don't think this is why the values are the way they are. They're 4 seater. The styling makes some people puke. They've never had great resale and thus have been inexpensive (at lerast to purchase) exotic car choices for a long time. That usually translates into poor long term maintenance so now they require a lot of work on a car that has a lot more content than a 2 door.

I think they are a totally unique car that epitomizes the definition of an "exotic car". Much like the Coutach is very exotic if not classically beautiful like say a Daytona, Ghibli or 246 Dino are.

When I gave a friend of mine a ride in it the first time last year he described it as what George Jetson would drive.

Start with a reasonably good and very complete one. Go for it but $250K? Nah. I think you can do a lot better than that. Some people do prefer a nicely maintained original car too.

Bob S.

 

Here's an S1 you might want to consider.

http://www.leboncoin.fr/vi/87386396.htm?ca=10_s

 

+1, an early S1 would be a perfect car for John.

 

John,
if you are intserested in that one, 2 of my LCB members already went there to look at it... so if you want a report before buying PM me.

Olivier
LCB President

 

oliver:

you misunderstood. I already own two espadas. Looking to sell one.

 

But John ...

Then you would have an S1, S2 and a S3! ;>))

That S1 will probably end up being more valuable even if the S2 has most the improvements on it.

But I understand ...

Bob S.

 

No misunderstanding just kidding... anyway it is chassis VIN #7024 the 9th body made.
My LCB fellow owns the 8th, so the earliest known in existence.

 

these look the same as early countach as well .
there has gotta be someone left on earth with the machine > I asked this of the factory and i have been bounced around

Gary 8394
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The factory does still have the machine Gary. Last year a fellow Espada owner and VLG member sent his seat facing leather to the factory and Valentino arranged to have it processed. It took a long time. It wasn't cheap. I think $400->$600?. But it looks correct. I'm still waiting to see how it turns out with the final installation. He really did wait a long GD time for it to show up. If you started now maybe late fall ... When I'm ready I am going to see if a local upholstery guy here in the NY area can get a punch die made. I eventually need to have one rear seat done and maybe the two front as well.

Is your leather really bad on any of the faces. You might be able to re-dye.

It takes connections to get this arranged but it's possible. Aren't Espadas easy ... ;>)

Bob S.