How strict are the cops? What about front window tint?
Depends on where you are and what you are acting like. In San Francisco they have decided that is a good way to help the cities financial woe's but I don't drive there so I don't care. Some people I know cant drive around the block without getting ticketed without a front plate. We have six cars including 2 Ferrari's and a Lambo. None have front plates. Have all been that way for as long as we have had them. We have gotten speeding tickets but never even a warning for front plate. I really believe it has a lot to do with attitude. If you act like ****** it is an easy way to jerk a chain.
Brian is right. No issue for me about front plate. I think front window tint is just asking for trouble. You get away with one thing. Start piling more and more issues then they just won't ignore you.
front plates are being enforced by discretion of the local cities. west hollywood is pretty strict about it. I had 2 tickets at 2 different occassions for my porsche for front plate in the same city. West Hollywood did not even give a correction ticket where you have to put the front plates, have it inspected and pay the fine. Both occassions were pay the fine, no inspection for correction. $45 each ticket. I haven't had any problems anywhere else. (knock on wood)
Plates-enforced per city politics as a revenue enhancer. If they have red light cameras, expect them to enforce front plates. Tint-enforced at officer's discretion. If you get stopped, roll both windows down.
If you get stopped, turn off the stereo, turn off your motor, turn on your interior lights, roll down your windows, keep both hands on the steering wheel, and have all passengers keep both hands in plain sight. Don't be rifling thru your car looking for your registration as the officer(s) are walking up to you. Some police officers make the decision on ticket or warning just by how easy you are to deal with, just remember the officer doesn't know if you are coming from church or coming from killing someone.
Its my theory that the above is true, as well as if there is someone sitting in your passenger seat or not. I just drove the 200 miles each way to San Fran, with no front plate, and counted a CHP every 5 miles. And I'm not exaggerating. Its ridiculous. Over the 400 miles round trip, only 1 person pulled over. No complaints about the front plate. On my best behavior as always
If you're driving draws attention than be prepared to be pulled over eventually. Put it in the windshield. Take foam inserts and wiggle them through the holes on the top to provide a "buffer" to prevent rattling. I get pulled over twice a year, either for speeding or suspected speeding due to the noise of the supercharger, and no officer of the law has ever wrote me up for a no front plate ticket. They see it in the windshield as they are talking to me, sometimes writing down the plate tag from there instead of off the rear plate. I had one CHP actually walk to the front to double-check if there was a mount on the bumper and didn't write me up. Red light cameras take a picture of the back plate IIRC, not just the front plate and the driver. My 2 lira.
I just got one in Marin. They don't know it, but I'm taking them to Federal Court. The car doesn't have a place for a front plate, and since the Feds allowed it in, I'm going to claim the supremacy clause in this. I may lose, but they aren't going to make any money off of me on that deal. That's my suggestion, every time you get a ticket for one of those, drag it out, drag the officer into court, file appeals, make sure that every time they cite you it costs them thousands. Sooner or later, they'll figure it out that it isn't productive to ticket us. Art
Dude! - You da man! But, I suspect "they'll" spend MM$ determining that Seriously, good luck - I'm looking forward to updates. Cheers, Ian
with a daily driver or something nicer...LAX and OAK are kind enough to ticket you. Also at the Marin County Civic center parking lot, YES with cars that are not moving. Don't ask me how I know...
Great loophole. The feds always want to claim that "federal law always trumps state law"...well then..."I guess you need to go after {insert manufacturer here}..." BTW I have driven both a ferrari and jaguar for years, with tickets galore. Neither vehicle was ever cited for no front plate, the ferrari even has tinted front windows. I purchased a twin turbo toyota supra, and get pulled over TWICE IN ONE YEAR for what? You guessed it. I'm gonna sue for PROFILING!!! 2kyellow260, please update us on how you went about fighting this... (Dedicated thread?)
Might depend on whether CA had a front plate law in place at the time of manufacture. So, I could see some chance of this defense working for a Daytona or maybe a 308, but probably not a 360, F430, etc. Still, you're my hero.
They are ratcheting up enforcement now in San Francisco proper. Rather pointless since they handing out "fix-it tickets" which- after getting an officer to sign off on your 'fixed' car, becomes a $10 administrative fee. I got pulled over last month for no other reason than because I didn't have a front plate on my 430 Scud, cop wasted half an hour of my time to give me a lecture about how the rules applied to everyone. A few weeks later, I got that ticket signed off, went to drop it off. Parked my daily driver outside and when I came back that had a ticket for no front plate also. It's a small price to pay, every few months ($10 each time). I would NEVER drill into the front of a car to attach one. At the end of the day, it's really not a big deal. You can go to any police precinct to get a no front plate ticket signed off - provided you attach one temporarily.Then you mail it, or take it yourself to the court district where you got the ticket, and pay a very nominal $10.
My experience: I lived for 3 years in Pasadena with no front plate on my daily driver. I got three tickets in that time for it, two when I was parked near Venice beach, and one when I parked in LAX for the first time (I use The Spot parking now). Each was ~$40 if I recall. I never got pulled over for it, and I never had any issues in other parts of LA or when I had occasion to drive up/down the coast.
I'd very much like to know the answer and legality of this, too...can CA ticket an out of state car for not having a front plate?
Why would CA law change based upon what state you're from? You were issued two plates when you registered the car, no? The only time you'll get much of a hassle with out-of-state plates is when you show the officer your CA driver's license. I don't have the code in front of me, but there's a limit on how long you can drive your "non-resident auto" in your state of residency. Of course, the officer doesn't know when you brought your car in-state, unless you tell him
I just got a no front plate ticket on my 911...while it was parked on the street! (thank God I put money in the meter this time ) Gotta love socialism...they have to pay for a union gov't employee's outrageous benefits plan by dinging people why they are legally parked on the street. oy vey. but I digress... anyway, $25 ticket. City of LA, in Westwood. ticket says "violation is correctable", but as I understand it I have to actually put the plate on my car-which involves drilling holes in the bumper to install the bracket-then take the car to them to have it "inspected". seems like a lot of hassle to save $25, and I'm not keen on drilling holes in my car. on the other hand, I've gotten one ticket for this and the car hasn't been registered in CA for a full week yet... so do I... a) pay the ticket or jump through their hoops for $25? b) have the front bracket/plate installed? c) stop parking on the street, and deny them revenue a quarter at a time, and the opportunity to keep doing this crap?
West LA Sheriff will come outside and lie on the ground with a friggin magnifying glass to make sure you didn't half-ass the plate on there with twist ties so you can either get the bracket or have a friendly cop sign off on the ticket for you....
Some states only require a rear plate, so would be legal in CA with no front plate. Anyone know if CA cops steer clear of writing 'no front plate' tickets if the car has out of state tags?
I was told by a highway patrol cop, a friend of a friend, that they don't pull cars over for a missing front license plate, but that they use it (well the lack of it) as an excuse to pull over suspicious people. It's their invite into your car... I did get a ticket twice while parked in the street, once in LA and once in SF, because of the missing front plate.