Anyone know the average life cycle of the 19 inch Pzero on a 612?
Report Date : March 29, 2010 at 09:19 PM NHTSA Campaign ID number : 09T012000 Tire Brand Name / Tire Line / Tire Size: Production Dates: PIRELLI / PZERO CORSA / 285/35 ZR19 (99Y) K1 LEFT JUN 01, 2007 - JUL 31, 2009 PIRELLI / PZERO CORSA / 285/35 ZR19 (99Y) K1 RIGH JUN 01, 2007 - JUL 31, 2009 Manufacturer: PIRELLI TIRE LLC Mfr's Report Date: SEP 01, 2009 NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 09T012000 NHTSA Action Number: N/A Component: TIRES:TREAD/BELT Potential Number of Units Affected: 1680 Summary: PIRELLI IS RECALLING CERTAIN PIRELLI PZERO CORSA TIRES, SIZE 285/35 ZR19 (99Y) K1, IP 1778200 (LEFT) AND IP 1778300 (RIGHT) MANUFACTURED BETWEEN JUNE 2007 AND JULY 2009. PARTIAL TREAD SEPARATION / BELT EDGE SEPARATION CAN OCCUR AT CONSTANT MAXIMUM HIGH SPEEDS (AT AND OVER 270 KMH OR 168 MPH FOR A PROLONGED PERIOD OF TIME). Consequence: TREAD OR BELT EDGE SEPARATION COULD RESULT IN A VEHICLE CRASH. Remedy: PIRELLI TIRE WILL NOTIFY OWNERS AND REPLACE THE AFFECTED TIRES FREE OF CHARGE. THIS RECALL BEGAN ON SEPTEMBER 9, 2009. OWNERS MAY CONTACT PIRELLI TIRE AT 1-800-747-3554, SELECT OPTION #2. Notes: OWNERS MAY ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION'S VEHICLE SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-327-4236 (TTY 1-800-424-9153), OR GO TO HTTP://WWW.SAFERCAR.GOV .
No PZero Corsas on 612s, as far as I know, unless they were fitted to the HGTC/OTOs. Was a DOT legal competition tire on the 360 CS, 575M/SA HGTC, Scuderia/16M and 599 HGTE. Michelin equivalent was the PS2 Sport Cup. Were the 612 HGTC/OTOs fitted with Corsas? Not a great idea if so fitted. Regular PZeros would have been much more suitable. Taz Terry Phillips
Here is living proof from a review In addition to the HGTC pack, our test car is fitted with further goodies from the Carrozzeria Scaglietti range of options. Before I tell you how much they cost, I suggest you brace yourself. Leather-upholstered racing seats with carbon-fibre backs and four-point safety harnesses? That'll be £9,634. Matching carbon-fibre interior trim? A snip at £5,757. Discreet, Fiorano-chic, leather-wrapped roll-cage? Another £1,821 should do it. Scuderia Ferrari shields on the front wings? A mere £951. It all adds up to £18,163, which, not forgetting the £16,450 HGTC pack, takes the price of this prime wedge of Italian exotica to a knee-trembling £195,458. Fortunately I hadn't done the maths before heading out through the suburbs of Ferrari's home town, for threading a 200k Ferrari through a swirling mass of meandering vehicles takes a steady hand. Ferrari's F1 paddle-shift gearbox makes things easier, as there's no clutch and gearlever to distract your attention. It's six years since the F1 system was introduced and it has improved immeasurably in that time, coping smoothly with the demands of stop-start traffic. The ride is noticeably firmer, as you'd expect with 35 per cent stiffer front springs and 15 per cent stiffer rears, and you can feel the broad Pirelli P Zero Corsa tyres crash and thump over potholes. It doesn't jar you to the bone, but there's no doubt that low-speed comfort has been sacrificed for greater control at high-speed.
Doug- Thanks. Did not realize the HGTCs were fitted with Corsas. The problem surfaced a while back with Scuderias having big problems on the autobahns and tires actually coming apart at high speeds. Did not know it affected 612s as well. Taz Terry Phillips
Yept - right after I posted it, went on to google it further and sure enough the Scuds and 16M's are at risk. One hell of a time to find out there is a recall after running the Ferrari at high speeds.
Doug- Think of it as getting a new set of tires for free, and it may sound a little better. With our speeds here, I have not heard of any problems, but you never can tell about tracked Scuds/16Ms. Taz Terry Phillips
Regarding the original question... There are people who have a hard time getting 5K miles out of their rears and others who can almost make it to 20K miles. It entirely depends on your driving style. Also, you may have to replace two sets of rears for every set of front tires.
Thats a good question and one I would really like to know. I have the GTC handling package with 19 inch wheels. If anyone knows what tire is the best for all around use it would be in the words of a line from hangover - good to know!
My car is at the shop and they suggested new tires - as I started doing some research the Pirelli issue popped up. Need to see if thats the shoes the Scag is wearing.
My 2008 612 OTO has the standard P Zero tires, not Corsa model. It was delivered 12/29/08, still have 21 months warranty left. Guess no new tires free for me on this one. thanks for the info on the recall. Great to have the input to find out on these things. John
Doug- Either the new Pirelli PZeros (not the old Rossos) or Michelin PS2 tires should be ideal for a 612, HGTC or not. Given my choice, I would probably go for the Michelins. Unless you get a new set of Corsas for free, of course. Getting 10,000 miles out of a set of those is a challenge, though. Taz Terry Phillips
the PS2s cant last much more than 5000 or 6000 right? i killed a set on a 911 turbo in 4500 miles...all street driving and not like a crazy person
I agree - its Michelin time for me. Pirellis never felt right and I still have not found out from the dealer which Pzero is on the car - my guess is Rossa. I think its best to go to the 599 20's polished and throw on Michelins. Pirelli reminds me of the three lil bears and their soup issue
Late last summer I put my scud through some pretty tough track days at respectable speeds (140MPH). About a week after my last track weekend, I got the notice for the recall. Fresh new tires, good thing I didn't have tread separation on the track. Here are the recalled tires in action. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Nice picture - so if you had the choice because its obviously affordable to buy whatever tires you wish. Are you fully good to go with the new set of Pirelli's given the history?
Chad- I am jealous, as usual. All I can brag about are my new NF2s and PZero Rossos (only tires available in correct size). The Corsas only had problems after sustained 140+mph speeds over several minutes of time. A road course with varying speeds would most likely not have caused the same problem. Unless it was Spa, of course. Doug- I am still in contact with the guy who had all the Ferrari wheels here before he got banned for not being a sponsor. PM me if you like and I will give you his contact info and you can see if he has a set of the ball-polished 20s for sale. There were both 612 and 599 sizes, the difference being wider rear wheels for the 599 and slightly different offsets, shown below. Incidentally, the difference in offset on the rear wheels is all due to the 1" wider rear tires. One half inch on either side is 12.7mm, exactly one half inch. No reason why 599 wheels would not work. Ricky- The normal Michelin PS2s wear better, or about the same, compared to the new PZeros, in general. If you are thinking of PS2 Sport Cups, they are another DOT approved competition tire and have wear characteristics like the Corsas. Lousy, but sticky as a leech on a hot summer day. If anybody wants the complete wheel size list, just yell. Still a work in progress, but pretty complete except for some optional wheels on the California and 458. Taz Terry Phillips Ferrari OEM Wheel Sizes 5 X 114 mm Bolt Pattern 612 Five Spoke F 18”, R 19”, 5 X 114 mm Front 8J X 18 ET 43.5 mm , R 10J X 19 ET 51.1 mm Five Spoke Modulars 19”, 5 X 114 mm Front 8J X 19 ET 43.5 mm, Rear 10J X 19 ET 51.1 mm Challenge Monolithic 20”, 5 X 114 mm Front 8J X 20 ET 43.5 mm, Rear 10J X 20 ET 51.1 mm 599/HGTE Five Spoke F 19”, R 20”, 5 X 114 mm Front 8J X 19 ET 43.5 mm, Rear 11J X 20 ET 63.8 mm Challenge Monolithic 20”, 5 X 114 mm Front 8J X 20 ET 43.5 mm, Rear 11J X 20 ET 63.8 mm HGTE Five Spoke 20”, 5 X 114 mm Front 8.5J X 20 ET 40 mm, Rear 11J X 20 ET 63.8 mm
