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F1 gearbox - experience?

Discussion in '348/355' started by mr.modena, Mar 20, 2010.

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  1. mr.modena

    mr.modena Formula 3

    Nov 6, 2003
    1,253
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    Jaroslav Hanus
    My best friend would like to buy an F355 GTB with manual gearbox. BUT He has now an offer for a superb 355 F1 Berlinetta from Germany. The car is from 10/1998. The dealer should change the clutch (no changes before now) next week.

    Have you any experience with F1 gearbox from late production time? They were faster/slower, more reliable, more easy on clutch? ....... in comparison with first pieces, which are critized.
    What beware of.....?

    All tips are welcome.
    thx
     
  2. greyboxer

    greyboxer F1 World Champ

    Dec 8, 2004
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    #2 greyboxer, Mar 20, 2010
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  3. X11OUD

    X11OUD Formula Junior

    Mar 22, 2008
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    Beware of people saying they are no good without actually trying one.
    I bought a manual but drove a few F1's and found them a great drive. Just don't leave it in gear when stationary and get used to the accelerate then coast technique for reversing.
     
  4. fusi

    fusi Rookie

    Sep 19, 2009
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    Jordi
    I am owner of a F1 Berlinetta and it's great... no problems and great driving...
    You must respect the clutch, and that's all.
     
  5. UConn Husky

    UConn Husky F1 Rookie

    Nov 11, 2006
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    love it!!!

    all 355F1's are the same with respect to performance, there was no change on 'late' F1's.
     
  6. matkat

    matkat Formula 3

    Mar 18, 2003
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    Dave McGuire
    6 and a half years with my 355 GTS F1 would never have another Ferrari without F1 previously had a 328 GTS.
     
  7. lindsey

    lindsey Karting

    Sep 20, 2009
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    Lindsey Freeman
    Question, why not leave it in gear when stationary or at a red light?
     
  8. X11OUD

    X11OUD Formula Junior

    Mar 22, 2008
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    I was told that it wears out the clutch more....
     
  9. full_garage

    full_garage Formula 3
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    Feb 15, 2010
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    Well I'm only two months into F1 ownership-

    But you've got to remember it is not an "automatic" trans like a Tiptronic- It's a clutch- and reacts like a 6 speed car in many respects- It's a little bit abrupt when cold- it likes to have the revs matched- I still heel and toe even though my left foot is free!

    Driving a stick my whole life it was quite an adjustment to get used to the F1- but now I find I can drive the car faster, smoother and safer- especially downshifting around tight turns- things where both hands on the wheel is important.

    I think a week living with an F1 would convince even the most diehard opponent of their merit. My guy says clutch life is NOT worse with F1- in fact he seems to think driven properly they prolong clutch life a bit. (Though that's controversial)
     
  10. TRScotty

    TRScotty F1 Rookie
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    Oct 12, 2006
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    I love mine.

    When shopping for a 355, I thought I wanted a 6M, but found a great F1 car in my budget.
    Best decision I have ever made!!! I had the clutch done and it's been perfect in every way since.

    Do not let anyone sway you away from the F1, if you find a great F1 that you can afford, buy it, you will not be disappointed.
     
  11. James-NZ

    James-NZ F1 Veteran

    Jun 26, 2007
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    As we can see from the many owners replying normally the 355F1 system is reliable, I have however had a different ownership experence with the F1 system, long story short it ended with me trading the car back and buying a 6spd, the problem remained undiagnosed for over 6 months and countless hours of workshop time.

    But, that said, most people report very good things about F1 and that is why I brought mine.

    There is always an exception to the rule, mine, I think, was an exception.
     
  12. MFC997

    MFC997 Karting

    Nov 13, 2009
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    what's the cost of replacing the F1 clutch ??
     
  13. Monteman

    Monteman Formula 3
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    Feb 9, 2006
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    I replaced mine last August but upgraded the TO bearing to a new Hill Engineering Unit and did all the seals at the same time. Total bill including parts - a smidge over $4K.
     
  14. James-NZ

    James-NZ F1 Veteran

    Jun 26, 2007
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    I didn't realise yours was F1 Monte!! Nice!!

    Do you have any photo's to share? :D
     
  15. matkat

    matkat Formula 3

    Mar 18, 2003
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    #15 matkat, Apr 1, 2010
    Last edited: Apr 1, 2010
    I am going to do my clutch replacement very soon and having investigated prices I am looking at approx £900 which will include the hill TO bearing I have taken advice from several people who have done it themselves and the opinion and experience seems to confirm 3-4 hours labour, I have also had quotes for it being down at 2 different independants and one main dealer the indies are together at around £1300-1500 but this is only for the plate replacement the MD was around £1500-1700 so will just do it myself.
    As for clutch wear I have done 20K miles and though the car is still mobile I just feel that the clutch need replacing.
     
  16. J. Salmon

    J. Salmon F1 Rookie
    Owner Rossa Subscribed

    Aug 27, 2005
    4,367
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    Remember that it does EVERYTHING just like a manual and it does fine.

    The clutch does not wear more when sitting in neutral, though the throwout bearing is engaged, just as if you were sitting in a manual in first with the clutch down.

    The reason this is a good practice is to get into the habit of pulling it in to neutral BEFORE you get to the light. Otherwise, the system will downchange every gear to 1, slipping the clutch a little each time. It's more wear, it's jerky, and that's not how you would drive a manual, eh?

    It cost me $1500 at a great independent. That included repacking the grease but not replacing the flywheel. It's one of the easiest clutches to get to on any car.

    I have 20k miles on mine. It was just in 2 weeks ago and there was no sign of wear.
     
  17. full_garage

    full_garage Formula 3
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    Feb 15, 2010
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    I've been getting into the habit of doing that just cause it's so much smoother- though before I bought my 355 F1 I drove a 360 at my local dealer and the sales guy said "No you don't want to put it in neutral while moving- that'll break it"...


    but that's what sales guys do....
     
  18. jetfixr

    jetfixr Formula 3

    Jun 14, 2007
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    Contrary to popular myth it shifts soooooo consistent!

    I really believe you'd tear up a non F1 car on the track. I've had loads of fights with mine, now its set up right and works perfect!

    Get one, they do phenominal burnouts!!!!! and second gear redline shifts will break your neck in "sport" mode!!!!
     

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