Acceleration: F40, F50, Enzo, CGT & Veyron

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc5kAqk_ifQ

http://www.streetfire.net/video/bruntingthorpe-vmax_644003.htm

Anyway.... here in Europe we have events like Burtingtorphe V.Max in England where you can race with you car in top speed 1.6 mile runs.
You can race side by side of other cars and verify the performance of your car or your prefer cars.
The EU stock F40s are always fast as or bit faster than the Porsches CGT in the speeds reached. Here two examples of 189 mph vs a 190 mph run of a F40.
In 1992 - Albert Vella - reached a 192 mph on its stock F40... http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/200788/porsche_911_turbo_v_porsche_carrera_gt_v_mitsubishi_evo_ix.html Evo.co.uk was good for 185 mph in their Porsche.
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evolongtermtests/213579/lamborghini_lp640.html
Talking of Bruntingthorpe, I recently attended an event there called VMAX that gives drivers access to the full two-mile runway. A couple of years ago (evo 080) my 6.2 Murcie managed to attain a confirmed 182mph in the space available. The awesome, newly restored Vulcan bomber recently used Bruntingthorpe’s runway for its first test flight, and I was interested to see what the LP640 could achieve at ground level. Well, the answer is a very stable 193mph (with 203mph indicated).
Interestingly, a Porsche Carrera GT that was also present hit the same speed, and both supercars were still accelerating as they crossed the timing beams. Best of all, though, this year I managed to stop without resorting to using the handbrake!


http://www.stuttgart9.co.uk/upload/showthread.php?t=1214&page=8
Adam Treanor Ruf 195
Albert Vella Ferrari F40 192
Davy Jones GT2 DMS 188
Zafar Aslam Porsche GT2 187
Henry Sage Porsche GT2 183
Rob Fackerell 996 Turbo 183
David Jones Ferrari 575M 182
Christian Ward 996 DMS TT 181
Carlo Tawed Murcielago 181
Andrew Ptolomey 996 Turbo 180
Ian Sutton 996 Turbo 179
David Warrior Ferrari F430 176
Pani Pastou Lam Gallardo 176
Martin O’Donnell Porsche Turbo 173
Anthony Wright TVR 172
Harry Nijjar 360 Challenge 172
Steve Farnworth F456 170
Chaz Richards F355 Spider 168
Alex Emin F360 167
Just Jones Lotus Esprit 162
Gel M3 AC Schn 162
Martin O’neal F355 Spider 161


http://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/events/43701-vmax-11-07-bruntingthorpe.html
204 - RUF RT12 650 (S) - Leon S

193 - 996TT "S" Cab (M by Chipchap ECU prog+Milltek+BMC filter) - Craig Bruce
193 - LP530 (S) - simonspider
191 - 996TT (M) - BLKROKT
191 - B5 RS4 (M, 650bhp) - Lucas
189 - 993TT (M by RS tuning) - MOD500
189 - 997TT (M by DMS) - DMS Rob
185 - RUF 993TT (M) - Leon S
184 - 997TT (S) - bluesatin
183 - 996TT x50 (S) - dazren
183 - BMW M6 (delimit) - derestrictor
178 - F430 coupe (S) - maff
177 - 993TT (M) - phelix
176 - 993TT (M) - TRPLBLK
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Here some others data

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/997-turbo-forum/555863-vmax-day-in-the-u-k.html

9FF GT9R with 1127hp - 222mph on 2nd run

9FF 996tt convetable with 1000hp - 222mph with roof up and 210mph with roof down

9FF GT850 with 850hp - 207mph

RUF CTR3 - 199mph

997 GT2 RStuning/cargraphic 660bhp - 196mph

LP670 SV - 194mph

SLR 722 - 193mph

http://pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=133&t=815595&mid=57908&nmt=VMAX
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So, is comprensible verify that a Murcie 6.2 run the Burtingthorpe straight with a top speed of 180+ mph, the F430 is well down 180 mph, the F40 is 190+ mph and the LP640/SV, SLR722, and 599 GTB are 190+mph all both. The Ruf CTR 6 gears is 195 able. LOL
The Carrera GT could be well over 190, like very high 180 mph.
Here you can have a sign of how these cars are really able of performe during the straight line.
Looking the weight, power with the aerodynamic of all these cars.
192 mph for the F40 is a great result considering the low power of the TT V8 comparing to the moderns, thinking how could be able on rolling runs this car in lower gears to reach this top result.
A US F40 should be fast approximately as the Murcièlago 6.2 and that's seems to be 10 mph lower than the Euro F40s.


So Bill,

what appened if you will race the CGT with your US F40?
well, a big advantage for your Porsche, during all the speed gears from the second to the top fifth of your US F40.
But, should not be tha same compared to a EURO-spec looking/thinking how are able both, expecially during every single gear.

 

Here some others VMax result

PS. very interesting here is XJ220 189 and Lambo Diablo 177.

http://www.vmax15000bhp.com/results.htm
Leon S RUF RT12 207
Markbe Mercedes SL600 Kleemann 195
MOD500 Porsche 993TT RS Tuning 195
Toby Porsche Carrera GT 193
ThatPhilBrettGuy Ford GT 190
Etlprws Porsche 996 Turbo S Cab 189
Leon S Porsche 993 R-Turbo 187
Craig Bruce Porsche 996 Turbo S Cab 187
Bluesatin Porsche 996TT X50 (aerokit) 187
Adrian W Noble MXX 187
Derestrictor BMW M6 186
R1_JON Porsche 996 GT2 186
Akki Mercedes SL55 AMG 184
SpeedFreakDave Porsche 996 GT2 184
Derestrictor Alpina B5 180

http://www.vmax15000bhp.com/results-vmax9.htm
N-GTS Dodge Viper 198
GuyR RUF GT2 197
DMS-Rob Porsche 996TT DMS 191
Jon Luik Porsche 996TT (mod) 190
Big Thunder Jaguar XJ220 189
Markbe Mercedes SL600 Kleemann 188 (L)
AdamT RUF R-Turbo 187
Rods Porsche 996TT DMS 186
Dazren Porsche 996TT X50 184
911 Habit Porsche 996TT DMS 181
Nastywej Lamborghini Gallardo 180
Derestrictor Porsche 993TT 179
Tony996hasgone Lamborghini Diablo 177

http://www.vmax15000bhp.com/results-vmax8.htm
G Man Ultima GTR 192
PhatGixer Mercedes SL65 AMG 191
DMS-Rob Porsche 996TT DMS 191
Jason360hasgone Ford GT 189
HenryR Porsche GT2 189
Rods Porsche 996TT DMS 188
Dazren Porsche 996TT X50 188
Derestrictor Porsche 993TT 184
911 Nutter Porsche GT2 183
SimonSpider Lamborghini Murcielago 182


http://www.vmax15000bhp.com/results-vmax7.htm
GuyR RUF GT2 196
AdamT RUF CTR 195
HenryR Porsche GT2 187
Mike RUF Turbo R 185
DMS-Rob Porsche 996TT DMS 184
Rods Porsche 996TT DMS 184
SimonSpider Lamborghini Murcielago 182
Dazren Porsche 996TT X50 180
Derestrictor Porsche 993TT 177
Blowdog Ferrari 550 174
Shadytree Aston Martin DB9 174
Mod500 Porsche 993 T4 173
PhatGixer Mercedes SL65 AMG 173
Nick Ferrari 360 172

http://www.vmax15000bhp.com/results-vmax_xtreme.htm
Leon S RUF 993 R-Turbo 198
Drhildr RUF R-GT2 198
Markbe Mercedes SL600 Kleemann 197
Ian Porsche Carrera GT 195
Rods Porsche 996TT DMS 194
MOD500 Porsche 993TT RS Tuning 193
RobDMS Porsche 997TT DMS 193
Markbe Mercedes SL600 Kleemann 190
(roof down record)
Tech9 Porsche 997TT 189
Derestrictor Porsche 993TT (mod) 187
Dazren Porsche 996TT X50 186
SpeedFreakDave Porsche 996 GT2 "RS" 181
ThatPhilBrettGuy Noble 3R 180
W8 PMC BMW M5 DMS (E60) 180
Adrian W Noble M400 180
Simonspider Lamborghini Murcielago 179
Traxx Lamborghini Gallardo Spider 179
Viperbl Audi RS4 B5 176
S3AM Porsche 996 GT3 Mk2 174

http://www.vmax15000bhp.com/results-vmax6.htm
GuyR Porsche RUF GT2 189
PhatGixer Mercedes SL65 AMG 187
DMS-Rob Porsche 996TT DMS 185
HenryR Porsche GT2 184
Lawrence Ferrari 575 181
SimonSpider Lamborghini Murcielago 181
Dazren Porsche 996TT X50 178
Shadytree Aston Martin DB9 177
K4TRN Mercedes SL55 AMG 175
MartinR Porsche 996 GT3 RS 175
Derestrictor Porsche 993TT 175
Blowdog Ferrari 550 174

I'm not so sure of that looking the only one 192 mph comparing the CGT, the 189 of the XJ220, 194 LP670SV and 193 of the SLR/LP640 and Ford GT 190 comparing how is able the Diablo with 177 mph, Murcièlago 6.2 with 182, 575M 181.

 

Great data, those Euro F40's are beasts.

 

And, 1.6 mile speed trap is not the best situation for a 500HP/200mph car comparing to other 600+HP/210+mph cars. Think about 1/2 mile trap or the distances..

 

The best top of the F40 is not the very high speeds. You can verify it with the comparo with the Diablo considering we are talking about the same aerodynamic figures and same engine figures. The F40 reached +15 mph more, for better HP/TQ/Weight figures, no other.
The CGT had surely more downforce and higher aero figures, but if it was extremely faster throughout the acceleration, btw we would see much higher figures (even with the aerodynamic deceleration) you don't think so?
Yes, the F40 is so thin and light, but Carrera GT had 100+HP more down the hood, and that's natural that the Ferrari is much more faster than the old Lambo.
Performances are extremely similar between EU F40 and CGT...

-Yes, the Enzo is very fast on high speeds, would be good for Ruf RT12 figures-

 

God, How I miss my CGT!

 

I'm still looking for the right "Keeper".

 

Glad to hear you're still looking for another. I've thought about selling mine, but everyone who has ever sold one has regretted it!

 

I'm saying during on rolling starts... not for standing starts
Are normal difficulties on standing starts, we are 1/4 in high 11" compared to low 11" for the new generation. But that's not the point.

Porsche CGT
500ft ~94 mph
1/4 mile ~131 mph
1.6 mile 193 mph

F40 US/EU
500 ft 90 mph (US version)
1/4 mile ~126.5 mph (EU version)
1.6 mile 192 mph

Tell me from 500ft to 1.6 mile where the EU F40 is really slower than the CGT....?!
Starting 90 mph both, there are no differences in speed/distance

 

Whose data is this we are going by? I hope not just some impromptu street runs.

 

Here you are the "on rolling" start speed/distance chart from 290 ft to 1.6 mile.

GPS DATA you posted are correct, but they are referring to a stand still from stop. GPS calculate the distance compared to the ACHIEVED speed. That correct if you want verify a distance from stop. But that's not the point for ON ROLLING runs. Different starts mods can pre-empt the results.

That chart is refferred to speed comparing distance, the CGT run 290 ft 80 mph compared 70 mph for the EU F40 (think about exactly the same start speed), run 500ft 95mph to 89 mph for the F40, then on the 1/4 the Porsche is running 131.6 compared to 126.5 to the F40. At 1000mt they run 166 mph to 163 mph and conclude 1.6 mile 193 vs 192 mph.

Tell me when the EU F40 down 160mph is slower than the CGT running exactly the same start speed?
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I give you an other example. These are data from the same C&D test.


Take a look at the Hennessey Venom 1000TT and the Lingenfelter Z06TT.

The Hennessey Venom seems faster than the Lingenfelter Vette.
It run 100 km/h 3.95s (60mph), and 160 kmh (100 MPH) in 6"65 sec so run the quarter 11.14 sec faster than the Lingenfelter...

BUT, we are sure is really faster? LOL

Nope. The Hennessey run faster at the start, it reach 100 km/h in 57mt and 160 km/h in 151 mt comkpared to 63mt and 168mt of the Vette. Now,Take a look at the speeds?

Lingenfelter is slower than the Hennessey during the distance of the 1/4 from stop, but is the Lingenfelter really faster for speed.
Lingenfelter run 0.4s faster the 100-200 km/h and 1 second faster the 100 km/h - 250 km/h than the Hennessey

So, how the GPS from stand still is the point for faster? Wich car is really faster? the Venom or the Vette? IMHO the Vette..

And that's exactly the same example of the CGT vs EURO F40. On the GPS the CGT seems faster but the F40 start run 10mph slower on 290 ft point for conclude the same speed of the CGT at the end. Make your own conclusions..
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BUT, in real world non-catalytic car is 20.6 able, Auto reached 20.8

Here the Venom and Ling.Vette chart: looking the distance is the Venom faster, but is the Vette really faster
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I have drived the CGT only one time.

You think really the EURO slower than the US from 60 to 110 mph? being lighter?

Is not a 16 years of development. The point is the weight.... your F40s are 250 lbs heavier, and our no-cats are bit stronger

Try a GPS your CGT empty or full fuel weight and a passenger...

16 years of development are very important, but not at all, when we are talking of very different weight cars
even a Porsche 935 is very old, but you think slower than a 911GT2R in straight line??

 

Bill S, the point is that we are talking about a pair of tests. They are meybe doing in different conditions, and we cannot reffered only about these two. That's uncorrect.
C&D CGT test is the fastest test. Auto is not the fastest at all. There are same possibility of variability of situations.. so.
The weight is important in every condition. How can you think about a US F40 faster, at all, considering two little passengers heavier?
If there are differences, that means the EURO version could be improved..
You are mentioning 60-110 mph 5.5 seconds compared to 5.3 for the US (4.3 the CGT), but, you think is really corrected?
The no-cats version had better open exhaust, bit longer gears but a bigger TQ line, is 250 lbs lighter... then is slower in their better situation?

 

Yes I like your type of evalutation, I have other types of mode, but I think you clarifies to much for single point, ignoring the logic of situations. Absolute HP figures are important, but, even important is how they are pulling. Even the TQ has its own task.
The CGT tested by C&D is a full optimized shot, the car was good in every single section of the acceleration. No one other CGT was fast than that. There are a dozen of other test really slower...
The F40 shot drived by Auto was fast, but not the fastest, it could be well improved.
You must see it on the other tests, and anyway the C&D car was faster in some sections of accelerations.
You could say "we have this".... ok, surely!! but thinking that, so closely, is only uncorrected. (How is possible a full weight car faster than empty weigth car?)
US-spec F40 are known slower in everywhere, so I think is simple understand that the EURO-spec could be improved by its data (Auto) and US C&D car data. (take a look about FL test)
@ 120 mph there are about 100 ft from the CGT to the EURO car (Auto), and that is so funny looking the F40s (US & EU)are side by side...

BTW is not a problem....

 

Because no F40 for very fast F40 was tested on or we have no data..

For the last time, is possible know how changing from 4.3 to 3.5 what happened later?
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