How much is it?
Gran Turismo Omologato? What racing does this car meet the criteria specifically for? Image Unavailable, Please Login
Base price about 450K. Get crazy on the options.... an extra 40/50K and then add sales tax. If you prefer you can wait for the Enzo replacement F70 in 2012 with a base of 1Million +.
I think that's where the comparison ends. Personally I don't think it is fair to compare the GTO to a SA. Different cars, different philosophy.
The car is not 'omologato' for any race series. Instead, Ferrari's Marketing boys have cunningly reversed the spirit of the GTO process and explain this car as a 599XX 'omologato' for the road - i.e. it is a detuned track car which meets federal requirements for road cars. In my view, this is absolutely contradictory to the essence of GTO label. Having said that, as a 599 Scud, it's a nice piece of kit and sits on top of the Ferrari production car range for now - but its performance will be totally overshadowed by the 458 Scud when that arrives.
Don't think so! 458 scud/cs will probably have 100kg less, and 30hp more....so we have a 1400kg and 600hp car vs 1500kg and 670 hp car..
As much as I hate to do so you are right !! A GTO should Homologate to race, even if Group B was abandoned, it was bor to race
At the figures these cars performance levels are at right now, I dont see any incremental improvements to be of real use in the real world. Unless you take these cars to a track its difficult to tell the differences. Overall....these figures are just incredible!!! I cant wait to have a go in one. Just gotta love Ferrari....they keep getting better and better. MJ
Do you think the rear diffuser will be available in Carbon Fiber ?? I saw this on a regular GTB and it looked so great.
That would be interesting....that would address my comment of the somewhat plastic look! A prior poster said a problem was that the cars look bigger in person than in the pictures- I see that as a positive! In my comparatively lowly 360, I absolutely love the low and wide stance the car has in person, and I love seeing one driving on the road. The 599 in person is a beautiful car (and is perhaps the best all around car I've ever driven- the Enzo is pretty damn wild- I'd love to see how this GTO compares to the 599GTB- maybe the perfect mix of Enzo and 599GTB experience!)
Well, we will all just have to wait and see - but if history repeats itself (i.e. using the 430 vs 430 Scud and 360 vs 360CS as benchmarks), then the 458 Scud will be 1 - 2 seconds a lap faster than a 599 GTO. Either way, as has been said in a earlier thread - all this is a bit academic on the road as the 599 GTO performance envelope is so huge that these comparisons are meaningless.
Your missing the point entirely.I am using the 575 SA comparison for resale value in 5 years time If you have a better answer Please mention the specfic vehicle you think would give a better representation
It does feel like cashing in on an important name from the vault, kind of like Porsche did when it started calling every regular production 911 it produces a "Carrera". Also, aethetically, it's not a distinctive car. The original 250 GTO is almost universally regarded as one of the most important automotive designs in history, and the 288 GTO was vastly different than a plain 308 -- another landmark, albeit much less of one that the original. It seems like a lot of badge going on. No, I think you're right. If they make 600 of them, and no one drives them, the 575 SA is probably a valid comparison.
I don't get this analogy. How do you compare performance of the future 458 Scuderia? to the GTO, based on 430 vs 430S ???
I love the concept in principal. There are 2 minor cosmetic changes I would ask for if I was ordering one (which I am not obviously). The roof would be painted body color, and the groove located in the centre of the bulge in the hood would be removed. Nicely done otherwise.
I will ask again--if Ferrari says the 599 GTO is the fastest car ever produced by them...which they do officially now (btw: their engineers say so for 0-62 and 0-124, topend and at Fiorino and Ring), why does the 430S time in this analysis show it as faster?
Its nothing like Porsche's use of "Carrera" on its cars. That's a ludicrious analogy and misguided perspective on how Ferrari builds and markets limited edition road cars. Ferrari is obviously not "god" but its surely not Zuffenhausen either. Its quite different than a 599 GTB. I'd suggest actually taking the time to watch the videos on Ferrari's website for a discussion by its team engineers of the engine, aero, brakes, transmission, tires/wheels, camber/suspension and even weight measures. The internal changes (and reasons thereto) are well described. Its also visually quite different--though obviously all would agree, its not a completely different body or car model--its not supposed to be. The fact is that its not called a 650 GTO or Enzo or even F40/50--basically newly issued cars precisely because all GTO's are "variants". This one is designed as a "599" GTO, an expression for road/track use derived from the 599xx, which is, itself, an uber variant of the 599 GTB. And if you actually believe no one will drive them, thus a 575 SA is a valid comparision--please come by my place. I'll be doing so, as I suspect, will most of the other clients that purchase one.
I don't think I missed the point. You are assuming the GTO's resale value will follow the path of the 575 SA. That assumption could make sense if the 575 SA and the GTO are comparable cars which, in my opinion, they are not. Yes, both are V12's and are produced in limited editions. But that is where the comparison ends unless I'm missing something. That's not a good basis to compare the resale value in 5 years of the GTO to that of the SA. The Enzo is a also a V12 produced in limited numbers. Would it make sense to compare the resale value of the Enzo with the SA (or the GTO for that matter)? Don't think so. Am I saying that the resale value of the GTO may not be at the same level as the SA in 5 years time? No. It may or it may not (although I don't think it will fall as much but hey, I may be wrong). All I'm saying is that using the 575 SA as the basis of the comparison doesn't make sense to me as they are two totally different vehicles. I guess time will tell. Meanwhile, I'll enjoy every minute of it. Cheers
