Ferrari chatter arrested

He didn't have a McLaren F1 did he?

 

Just FYI, but I believe the current TOU privacy policy is:

I'm not an attorney, but I think Section (e) is one of the more flexible parts to that policy.

(Also, since no one else has said it, that is an incredible collection of cars!)
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Very true, it should be noted it can be flexible in many directions.

I have passed my thoughts in a PM to Rob, I have no personal issue with anybody unless an issue is made with me. Sometimes its just better to play it extra safe. Some pregnancies just can't be aborted. (Sorry for such vulgar phrasing, it is one of my fav sayings)

 

"Alleged" is the word you must use so you don't get sued for slander.

The law will see nothing as he didn't say anything that wasn't common knowledge among the folks that spend any amount of time here.

Again, nothing was revealed that was not already known.
"you will get what the law sees fit" IS a threat.

 

Yep! The owner must have been quite ecstatic just looking at them.

 

Thanks for pointing that out for me mate!

With all this legal mumbo-jumbo be thrown around in this thread, I feel safe now.

 

Welcome to Fchat! Nice first post, but that link was posted earlier in this thread.

A few times actually.

 

Hey Chris, you said "Ice"...

Watch your ass!

 

Sorry! I meant Yeyo-berg.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

jalopnik and other sites seem to be saying they think tbops and icemanbops are the same person.

Here's a thread saying who tbops is. And there are some pics of "Mike's Veyron". And talk of an Enzo and a brother who drives them.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=217254&page=10

"Yup, as far as I know that is Mikes. It was pictured at a Pistoheads meet last week. His brother tbops had a red Enzo with him and I'm pretty sure they had an F40 there too.."

 

14 years ago, someone by the name of . . .
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-8526364/pounds-sterling-1-3m-bank.html

Publication: The Daily Mail (London, England)
Publication Date: 09-JAN-96

Article Excerpt
A SWINDLER who masterminded a [pounds sterling]1.3million fraud on the National Westminster Bank was jailed for five years yesterday.

Michael Boparan bribed four young clerks to reveal the details of 600 lucrative accounts, which he copied on to forged credit cards.

The scheme financed a luxury lifestyle, but the . . .

 

Wow.. just wow.

I used to read the "Iceman's" posts and enjoyed looking at his various "twins".

Epic thread brewing!...

 

Regarding the above . . .

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/spl/aberdeen/tax-disc-clue-to-missing-million-1.657064

12 Oct 1995

A COMPUTER whizz kid recruited bank insiders and swindled his way to a millionaire's life of luxury during a ''highly organised sophisticated international fraud'', a London court heard yesterday.

With ''potentially limitless'' possibilities beckoning, the alleged ''captain of the criminal enterprise'', Michael Boparan, got them to raid highly confidential data bases.

Valuable account information from high spending clients was then used to forge large numbers of gold and platinum credit cards, claimed Mark Tomassi, prosecuting.

Corporate and individual accounts were then plundered and on some occasions up to #10,000 at a time was withdrawn during over-the-counter transactions.

The barrister told Southwark Crown Court the criminal scheme was so cleverly contrived that National Westminster Bank chiefs hardly knew what hit them.

By the time police caught up with Mr Boparan and the others allegedly involved, more than #1m worth of cash and property had been ''netted''.

Mr Tomassi told the jury Mr Boparan bought expensive cars, lived ''very comfortably'' in a plush apartment and enjoyed five-star hotels.

''He was going around spending and enjoying the high life,'' said the barrister. ''He was operating a massive fraud and making himself very rich as a result of it.''

In the dock with the 30-year-old businessman, of St John's Wood, north-west London, are Bulent Osman, 30, of Keston, Kent, and Russell Jones, 27, of Southend.

All three deny the joint charge of conspiracy to defraud NatWest, other central clearing banks, companies, corporations, and individuals.

Mr Tomassi said all three, as well as others not before the court, were involved in ''wholesale'' defrauding of banks on a ''massive scale''.

He said they operated a system that ''milked'' the data base at NatWest's card transaction centre at Southend-on-Sea, Essex.

Mr Tomassi went on: ''The system that was in place and dishonestly put into action was so effective that indeed the National Westminster Bank could hardly keep up with the level of fraud.''

Mr Tomassi claimed Mr Boparan had recruited at least four people working at the bank to help him carry out his scheme.

''Instead of going in and doing their job, they rifled through the data base looking at confidential information, printing it off and selling it. This case has demonstrated there was a ready market for such information,'' the barrister told the court.

''This case, you may think, is interesting and indeed particularly serious in view of the fact that according to the prosecution you are dealing here with figures in excess of #1m and a fraud that, had it not been stopped, was potentially limitless.''

But the barrister said that, despite the scheme's high level of sophistication and organisation, it was caught out in the ''most mundane'' way.

A police constable walking the beat noticed that a car parked outside Mr Boparan's home did not have a tax disc.

Further inquiries revealed the vehicle had been bought fraudulently, and his fingerprints were found on the car. Inside was a wealth of incriminating evidence including a credit card imprinter, a large number of cards, and bank screen printouts.

The trial continues.

 

I agree with your comments.

However, as you already know, it is people like these that fascinate society--not in a necessarily adoring way, but one that simply wonders the "hows" & "whys".

Look at the public's fascination with Al Capone, John Gotti, and George Jung. They even made a movie about George Jung (Blow).

What astonishes me the most is that most of the people who become these top-tier level drug dealers, mafioso, ring leaders are some of the most intelligent and intellectual people in our society. It's a shame that they used their intelligence as a means of taking the get-rich-quick scheme.

I'm not a psychologist but I do wonder what makes these people decide to take up a life of crime.

 

I am in agreement with TOOL-Fan on this. This will be much bigger before it is over. Iceman had to be involved in a lot of different schemes to be living this lifestyle. Perhaps he was getting away from the drugs and operating legit business as well? Maybe he is a career criminal that belongs behind bars? Perhaps we will all learn from this example.

 

Operation Stockade

Plead guilty before trial got underway, got 5 years in 2000
http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/d/butterfield_7_.pdf

Overturned in 2003 due to info being kept from defence lawyers
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2003/jan/22/ukcrime.claredyer

 

Wow incredible thread, the guy was a great source of information for upcoming Ferrari Models I must say. Incredible.

 

I'm actually more amazed that they can build up great wealth and then also decide to stick around at the scene of the crime.

As an aside, George Jung (and 'the hairdresser') operated out of a house right up the street from where I'm currently sitting. I guess they had the place stacked to the gills with cash, quite literally stuffing it into the walls and plastering over it.

But yeah, if you're $50M+ up I'd think that would be a signal to cash in the chips and disappear for a long while. There's always someone willing to take your place.

 

Indeed.

The smart criminals never get caught. We simply don't know about them, but they exist.

 

Well I know he wouldn't have traded places with me a year ago, but I'll bet he would now.

 

I know the answer to this question.

It's never enough. The small-time dealer says, "I'll just do this until I can pay cash for a new car--$20,000". After that $20k is made, the individual says, "Holy smokes! That was EASY!" I'm out at $100k.

That $100k becomes $200k, then half a mil, then 1 mil, and on and on and on...

Since they are not truly working for their money it doesn't have much of a value to them. If they lose $10k at a table in a Vegas casino, in their minds they are seeing XXX amount of drugs they need to sell the next night to cover the loss.

It is very rare for someone to walk away from the business unscathed. The DEA will take every single thing of value that you purchased. (Think that you can "hide" assets by buying them for your brother, friend, etc.? LoL....not with today's laws). And all the while you sit in prison all you think about is how to do it bigger and better when you get out.

For some, prison can be a rehabilitative environment--but it is immensely difficult due to the constant negativity surrounding you on a 24/7/365 basis.

The lifestyle, the endless supply of top-notch strippers, models, money, drugs, and the dumbfounded "I'm not gonna get caught" attitude that one develops automatically after selling drugs for years are all stimulating and addictive. Once in, you're in.

And to be honest, it is better to get caught before you hit the level that involves $1mm transactions, because the sentences are lighter, and you will have a chance of seeing freedom again while still young enough to change your thought processes and thinking patterns so that the choices you make later in life will progress your towards becoming a decent human being and a full contributor to our society.

 

Read the Jalopnik post while in class earlier. Very interesting how this is all going to play out.

 

Carbon, will we be tested on this for the Ferrari Chat Culture Quiz?

 

True- I think I just read too many business/autobiographical books for this to be rational behavior.. and clearly these guys aren't getting busted for overdue library fines.