Acceleration: F40, F50, Enzo, CGT & Veyron

I have seen the Euro spec manual before, but not the USA spec car. Boy oh boy, some of those numbers for the USA spec car are WAY off. Top Speed 171 mph? We all know the top speed is lower for the USA spec cars, but we also know it is ALOT more then 171 mph, and this has been verified. What a typo that is LOL.

 

Something tells me that for legal or compliance reasons (which I don't exactly know) the USA car's numbers had to be suppressed. You can basically disregard them when considering accurate data.

 

Good idea. I will post something about or Vbox or other GPS data in future. I want to try some runs about that with 1/4 tank weight. About 2650 lbs.

171 is crazy. haha.

I have owned 7 F40s, I don't know about that data, but Euro-cat cars are 21.6s in the standing km- 21.9s about US cars (logically slower being heavier).
These data could be surely all optimized but some even slower than the fastest non cat specification, for the factory.

Nothing about I had owned or tryed of F50 or Enzo are oscillating about.

We are talking about knowledge of F40. But you really know that the real F40 was made in no catalytic period here in Italy? how you think about first development about "cat" car about that engine? Yes Ferrari worked well about, but never better than the original version of the first type of it. Your folklore is good about your US car with the factory (could not otherwise) , but we all knows here (even Michelotto) that the bast F40s are/was the 1st version of it, lighter and stronger.

That's not only a point of weight, even a TORQUE point, comparing the gearing. The 1st version had longher gears, but the TwinTurbo torque being better in the average of the TQ line than the higher band is/was good for that gearing, better for the shorter one mentioning for the catalytic versions. F40s gearing/ engine is good in the half band of the revs, not like the CGT that you must put the engine to the limiter for the best performance.

I have noticed some difference about euro cars both, so you cannot really know about our best specification being you not able to know how are really the difference.
We all know about knowledge about our car, we all are loving it, even 20 years later, we all have mountains of magazine and books about it, articles and data (even GPS data now), but untill you are not really inside the non cat version about, we cannot talk more.

I don't want to say 600hp for the europenans, but there are hudge difference in the euro cars, that is nothing about US spec now?
I like this topic, and I like talk with your ALL friendly confidence, but is so funny you are considering (with your loving entusiasm about that and the knowledge of it) that they are all the same.

If you came in Padova to Michelotto company, the first thing about your car could/should be shurely exclude the cats in your F40s than open your exhaust with a better opened one than you think about cats egine should be better performing?lol
Than they are good for remapping the ECU with other better parameters as the stronger type, similar and wild as the 1st version of that, about air/fuel mixture over the other parameters, and we are talking here 22 pages about US cat engine are the same as the wilder verion of that engine?

Pass up better or worst tests about, but the LM engine version is the closest engine about the familiarity of the 1st specification of that one.

 

Wow. And I thought I had a problem...

 

Bill: we will have to get a neutral 3rd party to go to Italy, install the device, and monitor the proceedings.

 

I would love to do this, as well as learn more about the different gearing available.

 

F40LM please get a RL VBOX type unit,and when you do if you need any help at all with it please E-Mail me and I wiould be for ever in immense gratitude if you would forward me your .dbn test file of your F40 please [email protected]

 

Yes BUT, like SSNISTR is well saying.. how about scentific proof? If i try my runs in good weather perfect condition day a could be able of well down 8" in the 60 to 130 mph like well above in a hot summer day. So, how we can really know the real performance level?

Here we are arguing about even half second, and that's could be a huge difference, than a day condition can overtake the differnce as hudge as an half second difference- so....

SSINISTR has right.lol We cannot really know about, if we are not in the same place with the same condition for ideal as both cars. But you being engineer don't think about that?
An engine can achieve power or not depending the condition comparing the SAE/DIN standards and the other engines, so how could be really a PERFECT performance comparing two cars in two different place, conditions, fuels, etc. ??

BillS had run his US F40 in a condition (achiving 8.6s in the 60-130 mph) day, and it was exactly the same condition as the CGT he was tryed? How you know? If, I run my Vbox data in future are surely in exacly the same as the BillS f40 runs? or CGT runs?
How can we know, really if the Porsche day conditions of BillS runs are better than his F40's runs? How can we know about mine?
We are here all talking about even 0.1 like half second a hudge difference and a day could confuse the cards on the table a lot more than the real performance difference.

Here we only know for sure that BillS should be faster during his F40's runs in a EURO car...that day. Because we are all sure (me shurely) about the difference in the specification of both in the exactly the same moment.

 

You say when. I even have an SCCA license.

 

Don't forget digital image recording to eliminate data manipulation.

 

I have to say looking at this thread purely from an enthusiast's perspective, the F40 inspires a lot of excitement and passion, but that Carrera GT is just peerless in its efficiency of performance! Wow.

 

The thing about this thread that I think is cool is how we are comparing the close acceleration of an F40 to a CGT. Not an Enzo, but the car that came some 15 years before. While technically we should be comparing the Porsche that came at the same time, the 959. Which as we all know would be no contest....

 

Hey Mate,

All very valid points you raise.

The one biggest thing there is in all of this more than any other variable is a fair does of honesty (not that anyone doubts the people involved) but its worth mentioning. This is to do with car specifications, any tune up parts etc.

So far as things effecting the car, if you aim for std temp, std pressure (i.e. sea level or close too) then starting the test in a non heat soaked fashion will return comparable numbers, a little bit here or there makes marginal differences in my hundreds of runs on my own cars and customers. I probably have the biggest data base of VBOX tests fully logging all engien parameters so am happy to talk to you over E-Mail in greater detail about any aspects of it.

The one point you mention that is 100% correct if you want to eliminate any doubts at all then you test all the cars in one place at the same location in the same condition with the same equipment to minimize all these effects. I can say though that is proper tests are followed and consistency applied then the spread will not be significant.

We could and I am known to type paragraphs on this subject alone, but there is not much need (oops too late lol). But please get a inexpensive Race Logic Performance box and E-Mail me and I'd love to help you out with it and obviously would love even more to see your file of your F40! I tested my RX7 again today and wanting to overlay the data !

 

Nope. These are the conclusions about people are completely out of knowledge or reading people magazine without any introdution of real world points. Referring only about the bad folklore is saying.

Are you so angry? no, I don't want absolutely that. I'm here talking amicably, but I will stop talking if you want.
Not a problem for me. I'm sorry about you (and Joe) are not confident about I'm saying, I will like to do.

 

Actually not at all. But thanks for using an internet "word" my 11 year old cousin uses.

We all can see now that your not capable of dropping something....I moved on, maybe you should try too.