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sluggish after a major. what could be the problem

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  1. B512M

    B512M Karting

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    Car was fine before. Took it to the dealer to do the belts, tensioner, water pump, fuel pump, plug wires, reseal all covers. Funny thing is, the dealer told me everything is fine, what a moron ! The car had no power (like 1.0 minivan), even at idle, the tacho doesn't even jump when you step on it (halfway and all the way). No check engine lights, all temps normal. I will never take my car back to that dealer. I'm lost
     
  2. Philwozza

    Philwozza Formula 3

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    Christian, I would take it back and complain.
    I feel sure they have left something disconnected or out of adjustment.
    Sounds like they might not have the throttle cable fitted properly.

    P
     
  3. silvergts1998

    silvergts1998 Formula 3

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    yeah if you push your gas pedal down and it goes no where or very little plus feels like the pedal sticks, then I bet the cable didn't make it in the grove of the half moon looking cam or the c-clamp wasn't put back on correctly.
     
  4. 2dinos

    2dinos F1 Rookie

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    What did they do / what were they supposed to do? Did they do a major with belts etc?
     
  5. rimoore

    rimoore Formula 3

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    Cam timing could be off.
     
  6. blown daytona

    blown daytona Formula 3

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    +1 on the cam timing. Take it back and dont let them feed you a line of bu?lsh?t.
     
  7. GaryReed

    GaryReed F1 Rookie

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    Ouch! Sure sounds like it could be the cam timing. Take it back to the dealership and insist that the service manager test drive it.
     
  8. testamon

    testamon Formula Junior

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    Betcha they have your other 6 cylinders so keep an eye on evil Bay for half a flat 12....
     
  9. B512M

    B512M Karting

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    Thanks a lot for chiming in guys ! I will print this thread and give it to them. Damn idiots !
    I am leaving the car for another week since I only have time to pick it up on Saturdays. Let's see if they can fix it the 3rd round. (Yes 3rd round in 3 weeks). First time, drove it out and then turn back when the car is so sluggish. Second time I came, they said they fixed it but I don't think they did. That was when I was really pissed.
     
  10. Testarossa Lover

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    I had my engine out at Auto Gallery. The car are was running awsome before I took it in but when I got it back, I quickly relaized that they improved my performace. Timming might be your #1 problem.
     
  11. vincep99

    vincep99 Formula 3
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    I agree about the cam timing, may though be interesting to do a quick check while it is idling and really gently put your hand above each exhaust bank (don't touch it) to see if the the problem affects both banks or just one. Even though it is 100% their duty to fix it, this could narrow the problems.

    By the way, I would probably insist they pick it up on a flatbad so nothing happens on the drive over there.
     
  12. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    In most cases I think it is a mistake to even take a TR to a dealer. Very few have mechanics that are old enough to have any serious experience with them. Also for it to have gotten out the door running so poor speaks to either their desire to do good work or their ability. Everyone makes mistakes but one of that magnitude should have been discovered long before giving it back to the owner.
     
  13. finnerty

    finnerty F1 World Champ

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    #13 finnerty, May 10, 2010
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    "Where's my motor?"........ "Well, it was eaten by snakes" --- Frank Zappa

    Nothing worse than paying good money to have a "professional" screw things up. Don't add to your disappointment by wasting even one second thinking about the problem yourself --- take it back in, and pitch a tent in their service center waiting area until they fix it for you!
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    BTW, I wouldn't worry too much --- it's probably something very trivial like they forgot to re-attach a vacuum line or something --- some techs can be pretty absent minded when they are busy and in a hurry.

    I once picked up my daily driver at the end of the service day from the Dealership after it was in for a 30K warranty service, and just before I twisted the ignition key, the tech comes running out waving his arms at me and with a screwdriver in one hand........he had forgotten to reconnect the air intake hose --- remembered it at the last minute :)
     
  14. davehelms

    davehelms F1 Rookie

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    he had forgotten to reconnect the air intake hose ---


    How's that for a confidence builder!
     
  15. blown daytona

    blown daytona Formula 3

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    Thats the problem with most repair facilities, No quality control process. No one checks the techs work before it leaves, or holds them accountable. If vehicle comes back, they just feed you a line of BS and tell you it is something else and charge you for thier mistake. Most techs dont even test drive the vehicle. Thats scary!! You wonder why auto repair facilities in general (dealer & independent) have a bad name :(
     
  16. finnerty

    finnerty F1 World Champ

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    Suffice it to say, I found another Dealership after that "episode" ;)
     
  17. davehelms

    davehelms F1 Rookie

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    I used to argue with folks about a statement painted with such a wide brush..... no longer, well upwards of 1/2 of our bussiness is janitorial in nature.

    I have searched to understand the cause of this, lack of pride in the industry or owners looking for cheaper repairs. Both have merit, both are a problem and in time it becomes second nature and part of a regular routine. There has to be a way to reverse this thinking but it requires compromise by everyone, something unlikely to happen anytime soon.
     
  18. AceMaster

    AceMaster Three Time F1 World Champ

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    That is unacceptable - you should take it right back to them and have them correct this.
     
  19. JoshECS

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    I have searched to understand the cause of this, lack of pride in the industry or owners looking for cheaper repairs. Both have merit, both are a problem and in time it becomes second nature and part of a regular routine. There has to be a way to reverse this thinking but it requires compromise by everyone, something unlikely to happen anytime soon.[/QUOTE]

    I always thought that offering customers a qualified and honest service at realistic prices really spoke for it's self, just as applying for a job fully qualified and asking for a wage that will actually pay bills spoke for it's self.
    Unfortunately no matter how honest you try and be people on both sidestend to steer towards "cheap as possible". Then you get careless mechanics and careless car owners, personally I think they all deserve each other. As for the casualties it's very unfortunate, all we can do is hope that true mechanics and car owner's maintain their passion for these great cars and keep pushing forward until their paths cross.
     
  20. B512M

    B512M Karting

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    Thanks for the advice guys. Finally got her fixed. Drove it last night, she ran like a dream. It was the throttle cable, as you guys suspected. I wonder how these guys can take it off and forgot how to put it back together. If I am handy at fixing cars, and there is something i'm not sure of, I'll take some pics before opening it. The right side of the belt tensioner has some noise, but I was told to drive it first and if the sound does not disappear, they will change the defective part again.
     
  21. silvergts1998

    silvergts1998 Formula 3

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    #21 silvergts1998, May 13, 2010
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    The same happened to a friend of mine. Just reached inside under the plenum and fixed it. The cable can come undone too if you rev the engine by pulling on the throttle cable too. It will come off the track.

    What kind of noise do you hear? Squeeking?
     
  22. GTHill

    GTHill F1 World Champ
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    Um... a belt tensioner that may be bad? For those, failure is not an option. If someone else could chime in here, but if they aren't supposed to make noise, the car needs to be taken back in. Make sure they used good bearings. Bad junk going around these days.

    GT
     
  23. carguy

    carguy F1 Rookie

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    I agree with GTHill. You MUST....absolutely MUST...find out of the noise is indeed coming from the tensioner. Hopefully it is the AC pump or the Alternator or the Air Pump, orr even possibly the rear cambelt cover installed incorrectly. But if the noise is coming from the tensioner bearing - you should change it out IMMEDIATELY.

    What does the noise sound like? Squeely? Grinding? Scraping?
     
  24. B512M

    B512M Karting

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    Its more like squeeking at idle up to around 2000 rpm, above that the engine noise kind of drowns it. So you are not actually sure if it disappears or gets louder, because I can't hear it again. Its a bloody waste of time if I have to bring it back again, but i guess **** happens.
     

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