LOL, that's what they all say. "For the record I'm not.....", "Some of my best friends are.....", "I don't mean to be racist but.......". It's never just been a river in Egypt.
Back to normal as usual, contributing nothing = Troll Banville still hurting is it .. Philnotveryfunnyhill.. +1
+1 Problem here is that half the 'contributors' base their 'expertise' on the outflow of drivel from Bob Varsha.
So, would you put Mario or Al Sr in a car? Same thing, the team has to accomodate the different styles, the brakes should not be an issue that early in the race, either the concern was overstated or the set up very marginal. Going by the track record, I go for the second.
Fair enough. You and I both know there are large differences in how drivers use (up) their equipment. Perhaps it was an assembly or specification defect to manifest itself that early. I suppose we all assume it's pad wear that was the issue. Going by the team's recent track record, it could very well be the second, as you say. Still, the way a driver expresses his or her frustration at not being able to drive as they see fit is a window to their psyche. It can build bridges with the crew, or break them down... I was surprised that they allowed the press to get to Button on the way back to the pits and that he was so forthright about the cause of the failure... THAT was expected from a frustrated, but classy, driver.
I think its fair to say that Button is new to Mclaren, hence Mr nice guy playing wisely in the mouth and race department. Two different driving styles two different mind sets, for enterainment value take ya pick.
IMVHO Jensen has learned to keep his own counsel. In some ways he is the anti-Lewis. Calm and measured never expending himself nor his car more than is needed. May lack some of Lewis' raw talent but at this stage a more complete driver.
Well yes I tend to agree, I have said this from the start when every one was proclaiming that Lewis would annihilate JB. Long term Lewis will win the battle methinks, however its great to watch it unfold.
While I have no problem with Lewis' competitive nature, I do actually like the way Jens handled the screw up with the blocked duct. He had every right to lash out, but he just "kept his own counsel" (good line). Unlike Alonzo a few years back screaming into the radio "What do I have to do to be let by?" (My answer . . . make the pass, you baby!)
Agreed, which is why if Hamilton could mature a little bit he would probably be the most complete driver on the grid because I think he has the most raw speed.
He said "don't tell me how close they are". He's also said other things on the radio - claiming his team sabotaged him, whining about drivers who won't pull over for him, and much more. To satisfy the curiosity, I don't think Hamilton is "treating his team" badly at all. I've been racing and I know exactly how they feel. I think it was stupid of him in the prior race to bash his team for the leaving him out on bad tires - a mistake that the team accepted and apologized for. Hamilton should criticize in private, not in public. However, this situation I don't think he was lashing out at the team - he was just frustrated. Not different than what many drivers say. However, as always, the obsession with Hamilton continues for many. I have no doubt there are very many colorful radio transmissions from the drivers back to the pits on any given weekend. It seems that the only drivers we ever hear from are the top 4-5. I can understand that - they are the ones people care about. However, among them - Vettel, Alonso, Hamilton and Massa have all had their instances where they were snappy or rude with the team. Yet Hamilton is the one who is labeled a hotheaded non-complete driver over it. As I said - the obsession with Hamilton continues. And the reason for it is that he's likely the best driver on the grid at the moment, and he doesn't drive for Ferrari. That burns some folks up, apparently. Same happened with Alonso when he was at Renault. Same happened with Kimi when he was at McLaren. Same happens with all the best drivers. I find it amusing that rarely a week goes by without a Hamilton thread - incessantly about how stupid/immature/hotheaded he is or how he has no racecraft, no R&D ability, or whatever. On the other hand, Alonso sends the car into the wall and screws his quali chances, and little is said. And even more amusing, the cause of Hamiltons tire failure @ China (the reason for the prior Hamilton bashing thread) turns out to be a wheel failure, and the folks who blamed him and his overdriving of the car fell silent. Doesn't bother me, and I'm sure it doesn't bother Hamilton. But always the same goobs in the Hamilton bashing threads. Jealousy is a *****
Not at all. Look at Steve's post... Guy says "what the hell, we're only halfway through the race... want me to save the car or race these guys?" You guys jump all over him. Not that bad, not that different from what others say - much less venemous than much of what we've heard. Was he wrong to say it? Ehh... I think drivers should criticize in private. But it will never happen. But those of you who think it detracts from his quality as a driver? That is an asinine viewpoint - totally ridiculous. If a driver acts differently because of his anger, that's one thing (like Vettel refusing to come into the pits, or Alonso cutting your teammate off in the pits, etc). But just being frustrated, and not particularly scathing to your team? Not that bad. He was wrong when he slammed the team for the tire issue (having him on the wrong tires). Not because he was wrong - he was right - the team screwed up. But on the radio is not the time or place for the slamming to happen. But in this case, he's not wrong at all. Although it is one of the endless reasons for people to start Hamilton bashing threads - to feed their belief that he really sucks and "is not a complete driver" (like Alonso?) because of these incidents. Too bad Alonso does it too - and Hamilton's the faster of the two. Doh. I think they are both great drivers. This "complete driver" BS is just that... being nice and friendly on the radio to your team isn't part of the equation anymore than Massa caring about the Ferrari pit garage janitors' kids names is part of the equation.
I have a completely different take on all this. First, Hamilton is frustrated and has been for quite a while. Maybe it was Ron's leaving or maybe it's just the pressure. Something is up with this guy. The great competitors never want to come in second. I don't blame him for being either frustrated or upset. Instead, I'd be more upset if he just shock it off. IMO -- too many F1 drivers go through the motion or intentionally want so show no emotion to look like "nice guys". Well, nice guys finish LAST. Second, I see no problem in him lashing out. Everyone takes stress differently. He's just speaking his mind. Maybe that's the way he gets his edge. I don't see why he needs to be a politician or measure his words everytime he's upset about something. Third, communication is key to any organization. The radio is there to communicate -- not to entertain. Let's not criticize a guy just for speaking his mind. Fourth, the only people he needs to care about getting his message to is his team. If he thinks this is the way to do it, it's his issue. If the team doesn't like the way he does it, they should deal with it with him.
The adjustment that Lewis has had to make over the last few years is huge and to expect it to be seamless would be unreasonable. At a time of great change and stress his two main role models, Ron D and Lewis' dad, have both stepped away. But The question is how will he deal with all this and so far it seems that the stress may be getting to him. While he had every reason to be pi**ed at the team over the brake issue his reaction over the radio was counterproductive. At that point all he could do was to adapt to the situation. His rant was self indulgent and not the sign of a mature driver.
+1 However, the Q that remains in my mind is, who decided to broadcast that particular exchange? I believe the teams control access to their xmissions (?) The FIA hears it all I believe - Wonder if it was "leaked" by the Toad?.... Cheers, Ian
Dave when Hamilton first stepped onto the F1 stage if you remember he was called a robot. A clinical boring robotic driver never made a mistake type, and he got stick for that, for some he will never do right its that clear to me the hate runs deep,he has always been under the cosh, reason why : IMO he so damn good, and for this forum at least, driving for the wrong team... Bdelp and Mike great posts.
I don't think the FIA leadership is micro-manageing such stuff in such a (near) real-time basis. At some level it must be the TV producer's call. Speed sometimes talks over the radio messages so I assume they come from the official TV feed. Which in the case of Monaco is French TV. It and Japan are the only two races produced by the local entity.
I think you know that that's not where I'm coming from. His initial cool demeanor may be a sign that he was keeping a lot inside. Stuff that is only now showing.
Gotta respectfully disagree there Dave!...... "Micro-managing" may be a bad term, but their guys hear (and see) *everything*, from at least 3 angles...... IIRC, they monitor & record all radio traffic, all TV feeds (+ their own cams) and all telemetry.... Furthermore, AFAIK, we don't know how far from real-time we heard the exchange - It may have been "old"...... Indeed. But I don't believe he gets to hear any more than the teams decide to broadcast - Whether he lets his guys talk over 'em is anohter debate Cheers, Ian
We don't know for sure. The audio often is not current to the video but I've always got the impression that it was reasonably current. Not all the teams choose to share all of their transmissions and if McL knew what Lewis was about to say they wouldn't have let it out. I'm sure they were almost as surprised as the rest of us were at his "commentary". But. We don't know for sure
