Thankyou for your list Might i ask what you mean by Ex Don Wallace, with regards to #73 Also in what way is #23 partial, i believe I have seen pictures of this car and it looked full to me :? Also do you have or know of any pictures of #14 - it sounds rather interesting
I think Greg's "Ex Don Wallace" comment was working off the assumption referenced in my previous post that #073 might have been sold. However, your question comes at a very good time as a contact of mine just informed me that this is not the case - the car is still in Mr Wallace's collection. #023's High Downforce Kit has been dubbed 'Partial' mostly by me I think, and it seems to have stuck. I make that distinction because it lacks the wider front wheel arches that all the other have and thus it has a narrower front splitter more in the style of the 1995 F1 GTRs. It's also the only F1 fitted with the Downforce Kit that still wears the original road car's 17" wheels. The rest have been upgraded with the 18" OZ wheels seen on the GTRs and LMs. Here's a Flickr Gallery with photos of #023 at its current home in the Franschhoek Motor Museum in South Africa. I've started you off with the photo that makes the nose variation most apparent, but there are some other great images of the car there as well. As for photos of chassis #014, you'll find the best ones in this gallery: http://www.freezingspeed.com/upload/g_racecars_others.html >8^) ER
Thankyou for those links to the pics and the info. I notice how you said that #23 is the only one fitted with a HDF that still has original wheels but. #23 clearly has the reg M99 PES - and a picture of this car ealrier in this forum around page 36 i think there is a picture of this car, with the reg M99 PES with the OZ wheels I have attached this picture and although this picture the reg is covered - another picture that was posted with it clearly shows the reg. Image Unavailable, Please Login
You've mistakely attached a photo of chassis #059 here. Hiding behind that white placard covering the plate it reads 'R66 MCL' as seen below. The key with this car are the headlights which are entirely unique to this chassis compared to every other McLaren F1 I have ever seen. Read post #745 again for clarification - the photos embeded in that post show #059, #065, #059 again, then #023. If you can find a photo of the 'M99 PES' registration plate on a car that wears the OZ wheels that would really be something because I've certainly never seen one, but also because without the fender flares in the front those 18" wheels would stick out too far. >8^) ER Image Unavailable, Please Login
I had just realised my mistake and when i went to correct myself you had already replied :L And as for any more pics of M99PES with 18 OZ's i dont have any - the picture i made a mistake with was what made me think #23 did have 18s Sorry about that :L
Peloton 25 - I am sure that it isnt #69 as I have been reading through the entire thread and have found some pictures on page 14 or 15 I think showin #69 with the HDF Kit still black - it is black with the kit, and the pictures showing its current state is the same black Hope this helps - - I have attached the two pictures I am on about
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You may not be aware of the timing of those photos. The first one taken with GTR 06R and wearing the High Downforce Kit was shot on February 3rd, 2007. The second image with the High Downforce Kit removed was taken on April 26th, 2009. The car was originally sprayed Mercedes Brilliant Silver and there could be a time in its history when the High Downforce Kit was fitted prior to the respray. >8^) ER
No problem - this is how things are learned. It certainly helps that I've been following along for so many years. If I had just stepped into this I'd be making similar assumptions I'm sure. >8^) ER
I have just bought the 20th Anniversary of McLaren F1 special Evo Magazine - and i must say I am thoroughly impressed - a massive amount of the magazine devoted to the great car! I have been wondering though - I am aim this question directly at Peloton 25 for his opinion: After 20 years of the McLaren it is still an absolute icon - if not more so, it is massively popular, and the prices have soared. My question is - do you think the situation will be the same in another 20 years - after the 40 th annioversary of the McLaren F1 - do you think it will still be as popular or moreso? will it still have as large a fan base and people like us on this forum? Will the prices continue to soar? Thanks
I'm not very good at predicting the future, but I think it is safe to suspect the F1 will remain a very special car for a long time to come. Yes - that white F1 with the Downforce Kit is chassis #014. >8^) ER
Good to know My final question with regards to the future is - do you think that all the upgrades - such as the HDF Kit and Headlight Upgrades etc will still be available in 20 years time by McLaren? Thanks
hey mate, you wrote on another forum about the clinic model, and something has me puzzled. the car was eventually painted yellow and has the foglights. but you mention that the only road cars to have them were xp1 and xp3. im pretty sure ive seen a yellow road going car with the foglights... i might be mistaken and it might have been the scale model... what colour are xp1 and xp3
I don't foresee McLaren cancelling their program of support for the F1s anytime soon, but 20 years is a long time to guess at. The company has some big ambitions now in regards to road cars, and if they are successful they'll certainly have a lot more on their plate. I doubt they'll forget about the F1 XP1 was unpainted, and XP3 was silver. I think the confusion comes down to semantics. In my eyes the Clinic Model stands alone for what it is - a non-running styling model of the F1. It wasn't a prototype and since it couldn't move under its own power I wouldn't necessarily count it as a road car even though it was modeled to give that impression. The yellow F1 with the foglights could only be the Clinic Model. Here's most of the images you'll find. >8^) ER Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
thanks for that.... im surprised there arent more yellow cars. i know of only the one in the US unless there are more.
There were originally two yellow road cars - they were chassis #014 and #060. The first one did come to the USA but is no longer yellow after a refit in 2007 by McLaren in the UK. It is now the white road car that wears the High Downforce Kit pictured here. The second one is believed to be in Japan is very rarely seen. It remains wrapped in the plastic which it was originally delivered in. The chassis number of the car isn't confirmed, but seems the most likely candidate. Here's some photos of that car. >8^) ER Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
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So the photos of the yellow one at a dealership next to an f50 is the one that's now White? I find it funny how many paint jobs and re-fits the f1's get, if they were any other cars they would have a stigma against them. Is it true that mclaren won't do a hdf kit that includes the side skirts of the gtr/lm because they don't want them to look the same?
If you are referring to images like the one below, yes. The dealership is Silicon Valley Auto Group and they had #014 for sale in their showroom from Dec 2005 until the car was sold at auction in Monterey the following August. I think the major distinction is that this work is supported and completed by the factory that produced the car not by some outside entity. There really aren't other manufacturers that offer this same post production support that McLaren have offered for new F1 owners. If you go way back in history and use Ferrari as an example there were serveral cars which the factory altered or modified heavily. Those changes are recognized as part of the history of those chassis' and don't tend to degrade the current value of those cars in most cases. This may be true, but I've never heard that reasoning related to them. >8^) ER Image Unavailable, Please Login
gtr spotted at goodwood today, pics in the link http://www.flickr.com/photos/ukjonnyboy/sets/72157624090527287/
This is good to know, I will explain why I have been asking questions for a timeframe of 20 years. Basically I am 15 years old so potentially I may be able to own an F1 one day. I live in the UK and am already in contact with perhaps the best Barrister (lawyer) in the UK - a barriser who in the period of 2007 to 2008 earned 3 million Pounds - so roughly 4.5 million dollars a year. I aim to work within his chambers when I am older (should be able to start by 24) and he has assured me I would be earning big money from the beginning - and may be earning 1,000,000 a year after 6 years (so roughly the age of 30) So although perhaps I could be able to buy a McLaren F1 (please God ) in 15 years - im calling it 20 been realistic. I know it might not work but I feel I have a chance not many get so I just hope it works out. So basically thats why I am asking about McLaren F1's in 20 years time - and I was asking aboit HDF Kits still being available in 20 years as if I am to own a McLaren F1 i would need to fit a HDF Kit :L Hope this helps you understand my situation
