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  1. Bill S

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    #1 Bill S, Jun 4, 2010
    I took this video today of cold startup for the Enzo and F40. Both cars are completely factory stock with no modifications. Please excuse the video problem. YouTube messed it up somehow. The audio is good.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmBZRJweCCc
     
  2. m3forlife

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    #2 m3forlife, Jun 4, 2010
    the Enzo is surprisingly much louder...but both sound fantastic.
     
  3. nthfinity

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    #3 nthfinity, Jun 4, 2010
    turbos muffle the F40 an awful lot with the stock exhaust. The Enzo is too quiet with the stock exhaust too IMO.
     
  4. SSNISTR

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    #4 SSNISTR, Jun 4, 2010
    Your F40 told me it wants a Tubi.
     
  5. 430rcks

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    His F40 and Enzo both say they want to take a vacation to South FL and stay with me ;)
     
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    The tubi makes a HUGE difference. That thing is amazing!
     
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    we have a winner!
     
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  12. Bill S

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    #12 Bill S, Jun 5, 2010
    Wow, that is loud! My non car guy neighbor is already complaining with the stock Enzo exhaust.
     
  13. Bill S

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    #13 Bill S, Jun 5, 2010
    Wow, that is terrible. From the Enzo Owner's Manual:

    "Do not run the engine at high speeds until the engine oil temperature has reached at least 65-70 degrees C, approximately."

    That's 149 to 158 degrees Fahrenheit. If the Enzo has been sitting overnight at about 70 degrees, it takes 17 minutes at idle to reach that temperature! That's always a bummer when someone wants a demo.
     
  14. nthfinity

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    #14 nthfinity, Jun 5, 2010
    While the Tubi does sound good, I do not think it is the best sounding aftermarket pipe for the F40... Nor is it the best for the F40 if I recall correctly. I believe the Tubi doesn't have enough back pressure.
     
  15. joe sackey

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    #15 joe sackey, Jun 5, 2010
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    Bill: You can make the F40 sound much more aggressive (& perhaps enjoyable) by deleting the factory muffler and installing the Tubi unit and pipes that you have. I think the Tubi you have is the muffler type rather than the open pipes, but here are 2 examples 0f F40s with no cats or mufflers. You have to turn the volume up to get a good idea.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2fbh0rXPB4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdY86ESYD5Y

    The latter car sounds as if it has clutch issues as it struggles to get away each time.
     
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    #16 joe sackey, Jun 5, 2010
    There are several different types of Tubi units - straight pipes, and a unit with smaller mufflers. There is only a compromise with back-pressure if you delete the cats and also run straight pipes. Also, different units from different manufacturers sound different, so its really a matter of personal taste. I prefer the Tubi units.
     
  17. Bill S

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    #17 Bill S, Jun 5, 2010
    Thanks Joe. Actually I prefer the stock sound. It sounds (and feels) like it's tuned very well, which I suppose it is given the amount of R&D Ferrari put into the US F40 exhaust system. A well-tuned exhaust seems to resonate with the engine. I get that same sound and feeling with my Ruf Turbo R. The last Tubi I heard seemed a bit harsh, like it wasn't tuned to the engine.

    Aside from the tuning, do you think the F40 is slower or at least the same with the Tubi? I would guess that the F40s stock electronics and mechanicals are not adjusting for it.
     
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    #18 joe sackey, Jun 5, 2010
    Bill: my personal theory is that the Tubi on the USA cars is more for sound than performance.
     
  19. SSNISTR

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    #19 SSNISTR, Jun 5, 2010
    If the car is not tuned, you won't get anything but the sound. But if the car is tuned for the new exhaust, as it should be, you will surely pick up a few ponies.

    I think F40's sound good with the stock exhaust. But they can sound insane with a nice aftermarket exhaust. The best sounding exhaust I heard was a F40 LM. Not sure who makes the exhaust on them. Think it is made purposely for the car. But on a road going F40 the best one I heard was a Larini. But I have not heard a Tubi without the mufflers, just the Tubi with the smaller mufflers.
     
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    #20 joe sackey, Jun 6, 2010
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    I would have to agree with this.

    Having used both the open pipes and muffler versions of Tubi's stainless steel exhaust I must comment that they sound completely different. The muffler system sounds more tuned and deep, whilst the open pipe system sounds harsh and angry, like the LM you have heard.
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  21. Bill S

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    #21 Bill S, Jun 6, 2010
    Joe, do you have detailed photos of the exhaust system used on the F40 LM? I would guess that's a pretty optimal system for performance. For me, the sound is beautiful when it's optimal, even if harsh!

    Aftermarket exhaust manufacturers often trade flow (performance) for sound. So you more often lose HP than gain even when tuning the other mechanicals and electronics.

    BTW, did you ever fix a playing card against the spokes of your bicycle with a clothes pin for a better sound? I did, and I was always the fastest as a result. I was even faster when mounting 2, 3 or even 4 cards. I never figured out the science behind that.
     
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    #24 joe sackey, Jun 6, 2010
    Bill I will source some LM exhaust system images but FWIW they are simply unpolished stainless-steel straight-pipes, slightly 'Megaphonoed' (flared) at the tips. I think you'd have to dial in the fuel mixture and optimize the waste-gate to make it work correctly.

    I agree about sport exhausts on the aftermarket - its more about sweetening the sound than performance.

    YES I did that but I had no idea it helped the wheels turn better? Wow, interesting.
     
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    #25 nthfinity, Jun 6, 2010
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    100% sure. I have been in and around that car when it had the stock pipes, then later the mufflers removed, and finally the Tubi straight pipes put on, and have ridden in it for hours and hours. Cruising around with Tubi straight pipes is LOUD!
     
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