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  1. hyenahf

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    #7676 hyenahf, Jun 16, 2010
    steve says he's got production #1
     
  2. ilconservatore

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  3. EMILIO

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    #7678 EMILIO, Jun 16, 2010
    Shaun,
    Vitaloni sebring are correct miura mirrors, these "chromed" ones are pretty rare i believe
     
  4. ilconservatore

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    #7679 ilconservatore, Jun 16, 2010
    Very cool, thank you. Chromed metal, or plastic?

    (would have been smart to check in person but I'm not a touchy feely kind of guy with someone else's car...Sad thing is I should know the owner, but I'm new to the city and not very social...)
     
  5. joe sackey

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    #7680 joe sackey, Jun 16, 2010
    He does?
     
  6. joe sackey

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    #7681 joe sackey, Jun 16, 2010
    That is my former 5038, the ex-1972 Barcelona Motor Show car, a Miura that holds a soft spot in my heart.

    Yes the mirrors you see there are correct, and they came in three formats:

    - Painted body color
    - Unfinished black plastic
    - Chromed

    They were affixed by the factory, and by some dealers. Application was random depending on what was ordered, the requirements of the destination country or the concessionaire's expectation of the customer's needs/wants.

    That it won Best in Class is a testament to the work of Wayne Obry who restored this car almost 20 years ago!
     
  7. ilconservatore

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    #7682 ilconservatore, Jun 16, 2010
    It has held up very well! I believe it was mentioned 5038 also placed best in class at Pebble Beach last year. Correct me if I'm wrong.

    I like the Britax harnesses too ;)
     
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  9. joe sackey

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    #7684 joe sackey, Jun 16, 2010
    The Pebble Beach award was in 1993.
     
  10. joe sackey

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    #7685 joe sackey, Jun 16, 2010
    Yes.

    Engine was added (it was without the unit in the Coltrin shoot for the cover), spinners were changed, and eventually the slats (Venetian blinds) that cover the engine bay replaced the Plexiglas.
     
  11. ilconservatore

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    #7686 ilconservatore, Jun 16, 2010

    Ok, slight typo on the car card then. Only off by 16 years :)
     
  12. joe sackey

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    #7687 joe sackey, Jun 16, 2010
    Yes indeed.

    I sold the car to Tom & Dee S who have an amazing collection in your area.

    Forgot to mention: the car was fitted with Carello Le Mans driving lamps and Britax belts fitted by the works for ex-Porsche racing driver (the late) Ben Heiderich. About 5 or 6 years ago, before he passed away, Ben recounted the car with me and informed me that the car was originally slated to go from the Barcelona Motor show to Don Eduardo Miura, per express wishes of Ferruccio Lamborghini, but for some reason this never happened so he took it over himself (he was the Spanish Lamborghini Concessionaire under the banner of "Orulla", as well as Porsche/Audi/VW distributor).
     
  13. joe sackey

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    #7688 joe sackey, Jun 16, 2010
    Another thing I forgot to comment on: the car is actually very dark blue. Obry started off with a dark blue and tinted it progressively with black till he arrived at this hue, and in the bright California sunshine it was clear that it was a dark ink blue, very nearly black, but not quite. Of course with any shade or cloud-cover, or without being drawn to this fact, most people assume it is simply black.
     
  14. ilconservatore

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    #7689 ilconservatore, Jun 16, 2010
    We are blessed with some great collections in the area. I know of the owner but haven't met him; I'm a bad 'networker'. (also missed seeing the the Shelby Daytona CSX2601 while it was in the area with another collector...not long after it left for south america! D'oh!)

    I noticed the driving lamps also - very neat addition. I did not however catch the dark blue, and I looked at it in several locations and times of day. Very incognito indeed! :)

    Were there some engine modifications as well?

    PS - Our 4248 will be at Meadowbrook this July. I have some repairs to the heater core that have the car torn apart at the moment. Will post pics when its completed.
     
  15. xs10shl

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    #7690 xs10shl, Jun 16, 2010
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    I've seen a number of Miuras with the "Thick-framed" Vitalonis instead of the thin ones. I can't see which these are, but it's always been my understanding that the thin-framed mirrors are period and the thick-framed mirrors are later production. Comments?

    Just as a data point, the ones on my SV are thin-frame, made of metal, and painted body color.

    Thin Frame & Thick Frame examples:
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  16. joe sackey

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    #7691 joe sackey, Jun 16, 2010
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    Standard SV engine initially, 'breathed upon' by the kind folks at the works for Ben Heiderich upon his assuming ownership of the car (he said).

    Here it is at Pebble Beach 1993.
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  17. ilconservatore

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    #7692 ilconservatore, Jun 16, 2010
    The Vitaloni's I've seen for sale have all been modern, thick framed and, I believe, were all plastic. Several on ebay now.
     
  18. joe sackey

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    #7693 joe sackey, Jun 16, 2010
    I would like to research this a bit more, but the ones on your 5018 are definitely original!

    Put it this way, they are the same ones on the car in a pic I have of the late George Dyer Sr charging up the hill in the Virginia City hill-climb in 1972! (complete with cigar in mouth!)
     
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    #7694 amenasce, Jun 16, 2010
    Any SV sold recently? Are they cheap again ? :)
     
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    #7695 joe sackey, Jun 16, 2010
    They will never be cheap in that sense of the word, and I think nice examples the have held their value position from 3 years ago.

    Tell Menasce Sr that he needs one!
     
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    #7696 amenasce, Jun 16, 2010
    I have ! I had even found him one from Europe when they were still $350k...He dismissed it due to reliability (He had just sold a very unreliable 275 GTB). Im still kicking myself for not forcing more on that one.
     
  22. alberto

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    #7697 alberto, Jun 16, 2010
    This is what I believe to be the case. The thin ones are metal case, while the thick ones are plastic. Plastic are currently mounted one mine; I will be changing them out when I redo the cosmetics on the car.

    Alberto
     
  23. xs10shl

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    #7698 xs10shl, Jun 16, 2010
    Linea Veloce sells Mixo Sebring mirrors which are spot-on duplicates of the thin-frame Vitalonis, with the exception that they are plastic and say "Mixo Sebring" instead of "Vitaloni Sebring" across the top. I used a set of them for a Miura S I'm restoring. To my taste they look great, but taste is of course subjective- others may prefer the thicker framed versions.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310213052437
     
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  25. joe sackey

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    #7700 joe sackey, Jun 16, 2010
    I followed the sale, and I think this car needs a lot to be a really nice example.
     
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