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  1. tuttebenne

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    #1 tuttebenne, Jun 17, 2010
    Couldn't help but notice Schumie struggling on the exit of the hairpin in Montreal. Most of the time the tail of the Benz would twitch under power and he had to put opposite lock in to get the car pointed down the road. Nico didn't have this problem, neither did LH FA SV nor Massa. Webber struggled in practice but got it all together in quali, but MS just couldn't get it right.
     
  2. rmani

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    #2 rmani, Jun 17, 2010
    tire issues would be more likely.
     
  3. DF1

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    #3 DF1, Jun 18, 2010
    +1 tires are frequently mentioned in relation to MS re-adapting to F1.
     
  4. PSk

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    #4 PSk, Jun 18, 2010
    Reaction time ... ?

    Pete
     
  5. tuttebenne

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    #5 tuttebenne, Jun 18, 2010
    Bridgestone doesn't make better tires for Nico; he doesn't have the same problem. If Michael is losing a couple of hundreths on every low speed corner it might begin to explain the gap between him and his teammate.
     
  6. DeSoto

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    #6 DeSoto, Jun 18, 2010
    He´s raced (and won) without traction control in the past, so I don´t think that´s problem.
     
  7. VIZSLA

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    #7 VIZSLA, Jun 18, 2010
    Its no one thing. Fact is he's rusty, older and the sport has changed.
    Not to say he won't succeed but as they say "if you're not moving forward, you're moving back".
     
  8. tuttebenne

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    #8 tuttebenne, Jun 18, 2010
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    He raced without TC 17 years ago.

    I am a huge Schumie fan but I am searching for an answer. VIZSLA's comments are valid but not the total answer.
     
  9. Mitch Alsup

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    #9 Mitch Alsup, Jun 18, 2010
    Agreed. Schumacher raced in the age of multiple pit stops, and was king of getting all the grip out of the tires (and eating them alive). We are now in an age (again) where taking care of your tires is king.

    The switch to option tires with 15 laps left to go in Montreal was (in my humble opinion) not-to-wise for MS.
     
  10. LightGuy

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    #10 LightGuy, Jun 18, 2010
    Interesting observation.
     
  11. SlvSurfer

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    #11 SlvSurfer, Jun 18, 2010
    Not to mention he has won that race multiple times!
     
  12. sindo308qv

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    #12 sindo308qv, Jun 19, 2010
    Give him time, I'm sure he'll do better. Remember, this is the guy who in '96, in the rain was about 4 sec faster than the rest of the field in a sub par Ferrari. Raced with and without traction control, grooved and slicks etc etc.
     
  13. VIZSLA

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    #13 VIZSLA, Jun 19, 2010
    Sometimes we forget just how good even the back-markers in F1 are. Michael doesn't need to loose much pace at all to be a mid-fielder.
     
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    #14 tifosi12, Jun 19, 2010
    True dat.

    They end up winning the 24 hours of Le Mans and the like.
     
  15. DeSoto

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    #15 DeSoto, Jun 19, 2010
    In theory, the last year he raced without traction control was 2001.
     
  16. tifosi12

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    #16 tifosi12, Jun 19, 2010
    In theory
     
  17. zaevor2000

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    #17 zaevor2000, Jun 19, 2010
    Still remember in Malaysia where MS and Rubens BOTH were circling the track like they were on rails while everyone else was sliding all over the slick road in the rain :D
     
  18. Isobel

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    #18 Isobel, Jun 19, 2010
    Schumacher has won the Canadian GP 8 times! ;)
     
  19. VIZSLA

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    #19 VIZSLA, Jun 19, 2010
    Ralf was one heck of a driver.
     
  20. tifosi12

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    #20 tifosi12, Jun 19, 2010
    Dont bring in logic here. I made the same argument about his poor performance at the Monaco GP, a race he used to dominate yet the MS fans wouldn't have any of it.
     
  21. Isobel

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    #21 Isobel, Jun 19, 2010
    Damn, you're good. MS X 7, rs X 1. ;)
     
  22. VIZSLA

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    #22 VIZSLA, Jun 19, 2010
    One of the top 50 Williams drivers of all times.
     
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    #23 tifosi12, Jun 19, 2010
    Speaking of the famous Schumachers, haven't heard anything from Mick in quite a while. I suppose that career didn't pan out as planned.
     
  24. VIZSLA

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    #24 VIZSLA, Jun 19, 2010
    The kid is what 12 years old and you've put him in the has-been file already?
    Cold man, cold.
    :)
     
  25. tifosi12

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    #25 tifosi12, Jun 19, 2010
    Just asking whether we have heard any updates on his career. Last time we checked he ended up midfield in karts.
     
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