The old method was tested the cars with driver and passenger. Today the UK measurament are like that! US measurament are with driver only. 8.3 second is a Euro car with no cats, plus two persons
Sounds like a valid point for the conclusion, and the good comparison. UK (or european) tests are slower for the addiction of weight when a passenger is on side of the driver, that other US tests have not.
Thanks guys. Could someone post the page that show the F40 test results, including any graphs they may have? Also, could you post any part of the article where they are specifically talking about the F40?
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Thanks for posting! The non-cat Euro cars seem to be pretty fast. Do you think that car was modified for higher boost? Also, will you be posting the Racelogic graphs for your car? I think many people would really like to see that.
I thought we got to this point. An higher boosted engine being stronger would have been quicker even on high speed results, AND that engine was not fast as the engine of AUTO mag on high speeds or something of not particular faster compared the US-spec on high speeds. So, was not modified for higher boost. That car was simply a lighter version of the F40, with good gearing for the first spec engine, and best tested. I know about my Racelogic graphs you want, but I think the most interesting point is that finally I was able to transmit about that Euro-Spec F40 was/is. With TWO persons on board, the Euro F40 was done the same results of the Carrera GT here in Europe. And we have some other results like 100-200 km/h good for confirm that. Your US results are good and important yet, never said the contrary, but sometimes they were so crazy for us, and extremely fast for something.
60-130 mph (with passenger): Autocar and EVO Carrera GT 8"1-8"5 FastLane Euro-F40 8"3 C&D US-F40 9"3 (driver only) 130-160 mph: FastLane Euro-F40 7"6 C&D US-F40 7"8
Infact,at the facts, with cats-version of the F40, Ferrari done approx. the same HP of non-cats car (only few HP of difference) but logically without the same response. That is normal for an engine with two closed exhausts by the catalysts. If they are lower geared the Euro cat-version of the F40 (being even slower than the non-cat version), the point is only the bad work of the catalysts, even if Ferrari spent a lot of money for it to the best development. Think all of it into a heavier US-spec body... Rumors of more power mentioned for the US F40 I think are inappropriate, because it must be visible if more power it actually existing. And, there are NO points to conclude convincingly that a lot of power.
Here the Enzo results of EVO UK magazine and R&T US magazine. EVO tested the Ferrari with the journalist beside the driver and the results were considerably slower than US results. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
This FastLane Euro F40 seems unusually fast (even though it has no cats). And it's also interesting how close the 130-160 times are between the US car and that no-cat car, especially with the US car shifting at 157. I think the Euro car may shift after 160. Do you have more tests that show 60-130 mph (not converted from kph) in Euro F40s?
Why it seems unusually fast? the XJ220 did 60-130 mph 9"0 for worst Hp/weight ratio I have AutoExpress for the F40 and it was no good with 9"1
Why say AutoExpress is no good? Is it possible that FastLane is no good? The FastLane data does not match any other tests, including tests I made on my own F40 (which match the US tests and the AutoExpress test). I suspect the F40 car in the FastLane test was modified for higher boost, especially because it has no cats. It's just way too fast when compared to other tests. I'm hoping that F40 LeMans will be able to post the Racelogic data for his own Euro F40 car with cats. Then we can have some more data to look at. Also, remember that HP/Weight ratio is less important at these higher speeds.
I suspect you don't want to accept that. Even the stone or someone who know about about fast car that XJ220 was considerably faster than the F40 only for top speed (217 mph), but during sideways runs was always a bit slower than the Ferrari. So, if magazine are shown 60-130 mph 9.0s there are some good reasons to say that the F40 should be able to do better times of it. At the fact you know that XJ220 is 2.53 hp/kg vs 2.30 hp/kg the F40.
Me too! I would expect a Euro F40 with two passengers to have 60-130 in the low to mid 9s (just like the US car with 1 passenger). A Euro F40 with 60-130 in the low 8s with two passengers doesn't sound right unless the boost was increased with no cats.
Definitive boost was right looking the 130-170 mph time and the time of US car. I think Euro car has better electronic overboost phase with no cats. It's not a point about increased boost of that car. It's a point of better torque of all no-cat F40s. I remember the same thing for the torque of Mecca F1 and the Ameritech...
Right, Euro no cats F40 pick up the top boost more quickly, but no boost increased for it Infact, the example below is the low 4th gear before/after the gearshift and the high 4th gear 120-140 mph 3rd-4th gear US F40 4"6 Euro no cat F40 3"8 140-160 mph 4th gear US F40 5"7 Euro no cat F40 5"8 So... no more power for the Euro no-cat F40 for high revs, but more quickly response after the gearshift Think about that during the 2nd and 3rd gear in the 60-130 mph run.. A Euro F40 with exactly the same 130-170 of the US F40 sound like the boost was not increased, but there are some different response caratteristics of the boost of both cars.
http://www.qv500.com/ferrarif40p1.php A catalytic converter was introduced in 1991. US-bound F40's were a little slower than their European counterparts, these cars having to conform to more stringent emissions and safety legislation.
Yes, that could happen. The turbos in the no-cat F40 could spin up much faster. That may also explain the very large difference in 0-50 mph times: 0-50 US = 3.6 seconds 0-50 no-cats = 3.0 seconds
Oh my God, I don't believe you are saying that just after 28 pages... but I'm trying to say how really the Euro-no cats spec is fast just from the 6th page. How can accept my no-cats F40 for fast as US F40 (60-130 9.3s) being fast as the Carrera GT here in Europe? I was talked about weight of them, torque of them, catalyst system, we are posted a lot of numbers of tests and GPS data, but were not enough for you to belive at that point. The US car being heavier (for the US-spec body) with its catalysed engine is really be slower than the very fast Euro F40 version, than this last car should be fast as or faster than our Carrera GT tests with two passenger, done here in Europe. Just to point out, you are shown a very good 60-130 mph in 8.6s with 1/4 of tank, that is really good and so close with 8.3s of our test with two passenger. Think how could be fast our car on exactly the same method of your US test or just your (low tank) method with GPS data logger. BTW, finally, thanks for understanding!
I think people are still interested in how a Euro car with cats compares to a US car with cats. Personally, I wasn't really interested in an F40 without cats because it's not a fair comparison with other cars that have cats. And that is only data for one test. It would be great to identify the Euro F40s test data with cats so we can compare to the US cars. Sometimes it'
I think people are still interested in how a Euro car with cats compares to a US car with cats. Personally, I wasn't really interested in an F40 without cats because it's not a fair comparison with other cars that have cats. And that is only data for one test. It would be great to identify the Euro F40 test data with cats so we can compare to the US cars. Sometimes it's not clear if the Euro test car had cats or not cats. The US magazines made a big deal in the early 1990s to only test Euro cars with cats.