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FCA SPA vote thingy.

Discussion in 'Australia' started by Arvin Grajau, Jun 30, 2010.

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FCA/SPA vote.If a no vote to sign,what would you do?

  1. Stay with the current club.

  2. Join a club under the control of Ferrari SpA

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  1. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    it used to be a targa....previous owner had it converted to a GTB
     
  2. Arvin Grajau

    Arvin Grajau Seven Time F1 World Champ

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    #127 Arvin Grajau, Jul 4, 2010
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    there goes any chance of it going on certified SPA carby runs.
    Not that these powerbrokers will be controled by a SPA.
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  3. b27

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    Sssssshhhhhh. (Whispers "thats when they painted it red to hide the fact") :p
     
  4. wrxmike

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    Those documents are a perfect example of the potential problems with Classiche certifcation - when the records of the factory and the importer don't match.

    M
     
  5. Arvin Grajau

    Arvin Grajau Seven Time F1 World Champ

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    as with my old BB512.
     
  6. 365GTC/4

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    They are NOT powerbrokers. I can NOT see ONE red Ferrari Jacket or Cap amongst the whole lot of em.
     
  7. Aircon

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    photoshop
     
  8. 365GTC/4

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    And is Winston one of those guys?
     
  9. Aircon

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    You'll have to ask blackjag
     
  10. Arvin Grajau

    Arvin Grajau Seven Time F1 World Champ

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    thank Christ for that.
    Question.Where does the American club stand re the certificates?
     
  11. Arvin Grajau

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    very powerfull group,they will not put up with any under the counter nonsense.
     
  12. Arvin Grajau

    Arvin Grajau Seven Time F1 World Champ

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    If your happy with the way your club is going along,why would you risk signing and handing control to others?
     
  13. Aircon

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    i wont. you talked me out of it.
     
  14. Arvin Grajau

    Arvin Grajau Seven Time F1 World Champ

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    been rung for your proxy vote yet?
     
  15. Paul308GTSi

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    A quick Google search shows 2 Ferrari clubs in the USA .... the non-official one seems to have a hell of a lot more events going on around the country.

    Lets say the FCA signs over control to SpA , , if everything has to pass muster with them and they simply don't get around to it do we not have events ??
    ........... is this what is happening in the USA ??


    Can an official Ferrari club (in Australia) take part in events with other car clubs who have conflicting sponsorship ?

    What if the Lambo or Maserati club invite us to an event and they have their sponsors flag / banner there ? Do we not go ?
     
  16. Aircon

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    i doubt theyd waste their time.
     
  17. Paul308GTSi

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    The dealer in the UK that delivered my car screwed up the engine serial number on their paperwork at the point of registration with my car. Subsequent official dealer services failed to pick up the error. In 2007 I checked with Ferrari UK direct and they confirmed the numbers on my car are correct and the paperwork is wrong. Great attention to detail from all the big names servicing the thing for decades ........ Not.
     
  18. Arvin Grajau

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    is a proxy vote the same as a donkey vote?
     
  19. Arvin Grajau

    Arvin Grajau Seven Time F1 World Champ

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    say like an italian car day or a track day.
    You would think the people pushing to sign,would hope the vote would fail and thus they could move onto there factory whatever club,dumb IMO that they would push for it to get over the line.
     
  20. wrxmike

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    Good question, this is what the page 19, section 2.7 of the Ferrari owners club guidelines states:
    "We would like to avoid, that a competitor of our official partners becomes a supporter of a Ferrari Owners’ Clubs and, for this reason, you can find on the following page the updated list of the main sectors in which operate Ferrari S.p.A. partners."

    So basically if the sponsor of the event is a competitor of Ferrari, or even a competitor of one of Ferrari's commercial partners listed in the owners club document , the answer would be that the FCA would be in breach of the agreement.

    The whole pathetic rules document can be downloaded from:
    www.fcacontract.com, select Item 5
     
  21. Arvin Grajau

    Arvin Grajau Seven Time F1 World Champ

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    More i think of it,how dumb are those pushing to sign it,it would be better for them if the vote failed.Then they could set up there own little club with SpA support.
    Is a proxy vote the same as a donkey vote?
     
  22. wrxmike

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    It's usually the Italians that screw up with the record keeping on the cars, and then refuse to admit it.

    IMHO the classiche program is not about protecting the heritage of the cars, it's just a cynical way of extracting money from an owner of a car that has ceased to become part of Ferrari's income stream, because the dealer no longer knows how to service it and Ferrari no longer bother to make parts for it.
    So Ferrari have dreamed up an arrangement to look at and photograph the car then compare it against their unreliable records and charge the owner 5K plus for the privilege of putting all the info in a nice folder.
    This is of course much more profitable than actually trying to supply parts for older cars (something that Mercedes and Porsche both try to do.)

    And the recent introduction of the "yellow book" classiche certification (under which a period reconstructed car can be certified ) is an example of how far Ferrari will compromise their "heritage" in the chase for the almighty $$$.

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  23. Arvin Grajau

    Arvin Grajau Seven Time F1 World Champ

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    why would you want to get into bed with 'em.










































































































    Unless you like Essendon footy style jumpers.
     
  24. RMV

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    Agree... it's such a cyncial operation. Disgraceful. Despite what the fanbois might think, Enzo was a malignant prick as well. However, in his defence I suppose he didn't pretend to be anything else. I love the old Ferrari sports racers in spite of Ferrari corporate culture (or lack thereof) then and now.
     
  25. Arvin Grajau

    Arvin Grajau Seven Time F1 World Champ

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    mark my words a yes vote will change your club for the worst.
     

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