Carbon Ceramic Brake upgrade?

CCM brakes from a racing perspective are one thing, but for the street and the majority of owners who never track their cars, one big advantage is supposed to be wear. We have been hearing for years that street used CCM brakes will pretty much last the life of the car. Is this not true?

The reduction in unsprung weight is also a huge benefit in handling, especially on bumpy roads. This not necessarily a problem on race tracks, unless you are driving over curbs.

The big problem with retrofit is cost. It is almost cheaper to trade cars than retrofit CCM brakes unless you find a used set.

Stef- Would you be willing to share what your upgrade cost?



Taz
Terry Phillips

 

I had the chance to get a special offer at 10.000 USD all included (including reprogr of the ECU's and the Red Scuderia painted calipers). The normal price would have been about the double. This deal was offered by my Ferrari Dealer. They had about 10 kits to sell and they were able to sell it at half price grace to their performant sales figures (kind of reward from Ferrari). Yep, even Ferrari can offer you good deals

 

Stef- That was a really, really good deal. The cheapest I had seen previously was a set of used 360 CS brakes alone for $10K, never mind ECU reprogramming and fitting.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

Congrats, fantastic price you got. I think I paid a lot more than that for just a set of 430C rotors.

 

Thanks Taz, I'm very aware of this privilege deal. And I didn't hesitate a sec to conclude it. It's really worth the money I may say.

 

Do any one had tried this brake system on a 360?

http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/rotora-front-2pc-16in-brake-kit-8piston-ferrari-360f430-0007-p-41803.html

 

Did the full CCM upgrade on my 360 a couple of weeks ago, have since done a few hundred miles on the new setup and must say extremely impressed with the CCM v stock steel brakes. No fade when they get hot and unlike the stories that they dont ork when the car is cold thats a load of rubbish they are just as good as standard brakes when cold. when you stamp on them, doesnt matter how hot they are the car will rapidly come to a halt.

pics of the upgade enjoy ...
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Mine came off a 430 ... these are better than the CS brakes as the caliper pistons have a better seal than the Cs which are notorious for seizing up.
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when mine were shipped by ferrari they were packed very very bad thus one of my rear discs cracked. If you ever buy a set of these make sure when shipped around they get wrapped up and shipped correctly and carefully ... otherwise very expensive mistake. These had done 7k miles, what a waste !!
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Loved the yellow against the black of my car instead of my Red calipers. But the ones I bought were looking a bit scruffy so i decided to do a refurb. Used VHT bright Yellow caliper spray paint and am really happy with the results, actually prefer the slightly brighter yellow compared to the factory yellow. Ferrari decals were justthe heat proof stickers from ebay @ £15 total cost to refub was about £70 !!

Respray was pretty easy, had to bake them in the oven for a few mins to cure the paint
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respray and bake !

One thing I did not like was after the respray and bake I then added Ferrari Logos and intended to spray VHT clear laquer as a final couple of coats to seal everything nicely ... used exactly the correct VHT stuff as recommended on the bright yellow spray and on my test area the yellow just wrinkles, this was after I had let the yellow calipers cure for a few days. Emailed VHT but no responce !!
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instal was fairly easy ... reffered to the workshop manual for a couple of tips.
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forgot to mention my cracked disc. I purchased a set of challenge discs and pads with 20% wear. I really only needed the rears so i have front discs and a set of pads for future use spare. ferrari refunded me the cost of this replacement so everyone happy.

Soo the reason for this story is the rear challenge discs are exactly the same as the road CCM discs size wise etc, difference being the centre bells, simply solution was to just swap over the road centre from my cracked disc to the challenge , its a straight swap 10 bolts all exactly the same holes etc ....

pic of the challenge center bell on my hub , you can see that the bell is designed for the challenge cars with the single f1 type central wheel nut instead of the 5 bolt road wheel hubs
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you can see the center bell hole is very slightly bigger than the standard hub center

 

the CCM calipers are 99% indential to the standard brake calipers ... except they have a slight cut out on the inside to house the slightly bigger rear discs.

removal is pretty easy except the lower bolt that holds the caliper in place is a pig to get to you have to use an allen key with a short bend or its impossible due to the lower wishbone being in the way no matter if you jack up right up.
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removing the handbrake cable was a wee bit tricky, just had to spring load the caliper arm and pull the cable out but you need strong hands or a clamp to do it
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rear steel v carbon

carbon discs slightly bigger rears @ 350mm
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logos being checked for size ...
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bleeding was not as i hoped, i wanted to use a prssure kit but I tried 2 and neither kit fitted the ferrari brake fluid cap was very close but caused a right mess so i had to revert back to the good old way of pump and seal them

fronts have two bleed valves and these both have to be bled at thesame time or you get air build up between ...found this out the hard way.

had to go round the car twice to get all air out ..fronts 3 times because of my earlier mistake !
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done ..
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Real nice! Great job!
I can't wait to get my big brake kit from Stoptech!
Why you didn't used the motive bleeder,
http://store.motiveproducts.com/european-bleeder--0100-p34.aspx

 

Scott- Those look really nice and it is good to know the Challenge rotors and standard hats make a working combination. Might make it easier for CW to sell his Challenge CCMs. Just shows a little ingenuity can give you a really unique set-up with improved perfromance.

The yellow calipers and the huge rotors do make an attractive combination on your 360 with that colot paint.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

yer the big rotors really look much better than the stock rotors which i think look a little small on the CS wheels.

Well I have a very similar pressure blled kit and the cap screwed on the fluid res no probs but must be very very slighly larger diameter so when pressure was applied fluid leaked out everywhere. By then I was 90% into the job so just decided to revert back to the good old school way which works just fine as long as youhave two people to do the job.

 

Thanks Taz, im really happy with the end job with both looks and performance wise.

Yes the challenge set up uses the same size rear discs as street CS and 430 ccm rotors, the challenge fronts are slightly bigger than CS and 430 and are infact that same as the SCUD front ccms for reference.

 

Guys just for future ref if anyone wants to do this. if it were a straight swap over (ie I didnt have to do all the caliper refurb to start) the switch over of rotors, calipers and the handbrake plus bleeding with the right tools start to finish around 2-3 hours