Scott, Great pictures and write up... Also fab to meet up with you earlier this week and check out your car. Starting to really shape up! I love the color of your calipers so please post the paint links. I'd like to go with my calipers in the same color now. Just look brilliant on the car. Pictures don't do it justice!!! Fantastic! Regards Trev
Trev Thanks mate, yer really cool to meet up with you this week and thanks again for the carbon sports seats .. will do a write up on those soon. re the yellow calipers, i used this stuff: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380238003784&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT the guy has none left in stoc at the mo but is getting more in, note it was 'Bright Yellow' sp738 as I think they do a normall yellow also. Decals I got from here £15, these work perfectly and ive washed the calipers several times and used for quite a few miles and no peel etc. they are correct heat proof vinyl. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190355281530&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT Will also weight those stock discs for you Trev and let you know for your weight saving calculations ... do you want me to weigh the stock calipers also as you will need to add in extra weight for CS CCM calipers being they are quite a bit bigger on fronts ?? Scott
Also have left room under my 'Ferrari' decals on teh fronts to add in the new 'Brembo Carbon Ceramic' logo as per the newer 430/458/599 CCMs ... i like the logo. But so far i cant find anyone who has the capability of cutting this logo small enough ... Image Unavailable, Please Login
Is Ebay Item No. 250653375927 the same? How many cans did you use as I was impressed with the results you achieved! Did you do one or two coats? On the weight thing, absolutely yes, please weigh both. I'm interested in a total weight of all the original components vs the CCMs (which are already posted in this thread). I don't believe Ferrari weight loss claims anymore until I see them with my own eyes! -T
I had the same problem then I realized that I had dropped the rubber seal out of the cap for the bleeder. Put that back and no problems.
Trev- The actual OEM paint color for the Yellow Modena brake calipers is PPG 84028 and you should be able to get high temperature versions of that paint if you cannot find the VHT paint. Taz Terry Phillips Image Unavailable, Please Login
Trev think that's the same stuff, will double check tomorrow for you as kept the empty can for ref. I used 2 full cans on the 4 callipers but originals were yellow did about 3 coats as had to spray over some scratch repair work I did reckon with yours going black to yellow might need 3 cans ... I didn't use any primer base coat though. Will weight full modena kit tomorrow for ya
Thanks Hud looking forward to seeing your spider finished, it's gonna look awesome in the new colour, with the CS kit on
i dont know if anybody else told you this so far but DONT DO IT !!!! the ccm brakes are a marketing ploy. the steel brakes work much better, and are far cheaper to service and replace. even professional ferrari drivers have told me this. altho they made me swear to never identify them to ferrari.
Ross, have you ever tried them yourself, first hand? Its one thing to read about them on forums and its another to actually use them. I think you'll find that your just citing alarmist counter claims without any real world usage or context. Racing application of CCM is very different to road use and in most racing situations they are not even regulation legal. Q. Do CCM's work as a great upgrade for the 360? YES. Absolutely they do. I've got CCM's fitted on my 360, Scott's done this too and we both experienced huge improvements over the factory 360 brakes with BACK TO BACK TESTS. Yes they work much better than the stock 360 brakes, period. If your upgrading from 360 brakes its nothing short of sensational improvement. This is mainly due to such a large increase in the diameter of the brakes, not the ccm per say but so what? Q. What about prices? Tricky one but prices are dropping faster than I can type. People like Scott have already worked out you can fit the CCM's from the 430 Challenge cars by just swapping the center bells over and if your friendly with your Challenge owning friends many can get upto 70% discount on parts so guess what? Prices aren't the big issue anymore either. Also Pagid are now offering pads at reasonable prices so you don't need to buy them from Ferrari anymore too drastically reducing costs of running CCM overnight. Q. Steel vs CCM? ... Ofcourse that is not to say that equivalent big steel brakes wouldn't work equally well either but its not so easy to get most of the big brake/racing brake kits available with a working handbrake, etc. Also steel brakes rust (ccm's don't) and you get much less brake dust from CCM too. Also who knows if that aftermarket kit you buy will still be available for parts/pads/discs in 4 or 5 years from now? The CCM's certainly will! The pad material [and disc material actually] has undergone several iterations so now we aren't even comparing like for like any more. The latest carbon pads on carbon discs [As Used on the 599 GTO] have astonishing performance and last twice as long. Even the latest pad material is a huge improvement and the prices if you buy direct from Pagid are much more paletable too. CCM is a moving target and getting cheaper and better all the time. The friction coefficients and operating temperatures just keep getting better and better. Lets not forget race teams cars also have huge vents and pipes in their modified bumpers and this is what keeps their s/steel brakes operating without fade. Road cars don't have any of this so you still have the possibility of brake fade even on race brakes on your road car [which racers simply don't have a problem with], on CCM you don't ever get fade no matter how hot they get so yes they work better on road cars.
Trev Confirm that SP738 Bright Yellow is the colour I used. I bought the Clear coat to use as per VHT Spray can recommendation for extra seal protection. vht sp730 was advised. however after curing my calipers in the oven at correct temp for 30 mins and leaving them for several days I tested an area on the new vht yellow calipers and it had a bad reaction and just winkled up, tried again on the back of another caliper and the same issue. I wrote to VHT to complain and ask why this happens when it is the recommended product but they have not responded. Installed my calipers without it and so far 3/4 weeks later all perfect still.
Thanks Scott, Did you check your CCM piston's before fitting for Corrosion? Apparently the 430 CCM calipers are based on the racing calipers design which again is fine in race car applications where calipers get stripped down at regular intervals but as a consequence of using them on all the late 430 Road cars this doesn't tend to happen very often [do you know many people who yearly strip down and rebuild their road car calipers?] so they can still corrode quite badly which stops them moving freely leading to sticky pistons and generally poor performance if left unchecked. Not 100% confirmed yet but it looks like Hills Engineering will be offering a piston reconditioning kit shortly...
========================================== Absolutely agree here, too many people knock these CCMs from hearsay without actually trying them. The reason I went the CCM route was brake fade on the standard 360 setup when they were HOT, several occasions I had noticed when using the old setup hard scarey territory where I had little brake left. When I purchased my car a few months ago it had just recieved a £12k full main dealer service inc all brakes (rotors, pads & fluids) so theywere nice and new yet were rubbish when hot. This is where the CCMs are in a different league !! As mentioned before my concern after reading all the hype was the lack of brakes when CCMs are cold, again rubbish CCMs work just fine cold, they are just as good as normal steels. i would say the difference from personal experience is there is very slightly less foot feel on the CCMs. Cost: As Trev said the prices are coming down if you shop wisely get the pads directly from original manufacturer and they are ALOT cheaper than after Ferrari have added their cut ontop. There are also guys selling the challage kits from the 430 that with a centre bell swop will bolt straight onto a 360/430 running 19" wheels, these effectively are then Scuderia CCM Brakes ... not bad at all !! And these are going dirt cheap if you know where to look :O) Scott
================================= Yer made 100% sure I checked all of the pistons were working and not seized, to be honestly after I gave the calipers a clean up they were like new, all the pistons moved freely none had any issues. Im hoping I dont have to strip these down annually to do any work. that said the Calipers are held in place by 2 bolts and take 5 mins to remove at most, so not a major issue inspection wise. Well report back if i get any troubles here. Be good if Hills do make the kit, I know some of the CS guys have had piston issues and correct me if im wrong but dont Ferrari try and fob you off with replacing the whole caliper for this ?
On the weight thing, absolutely yes, please weigh both. I'm interested in a total weight of all the original components vs the CCMs (which are already posted in this thread). I don't believe Ferrari weight loss claims anymore until I see them with my own eyes! -T[/QUOTE] Hi Trev Specs for your weight saving calculations: Steel standard 360 discs front and rear are both 13kg each disc Standard Calipers are 5.2kg each front and rear Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Hi Trev Specs for your weight saving calculations: Steel standard 360 discs front and rear are both 13kg each disc Standard Calipers are 5.2kg each front and rear[/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE] ======================= Handbrake calipers same weight. CCM full kit = 50.7 kg standard Steel kit = 76.92 Weight Saving 26.22kg
======================= Handbrake calipers same weight. CCM full kit = 50.7 kg standard Steel kit = 76.92 Weight Saving 26.22kg[/QUOTE] OMG!!! I understood the weight saving was just 15kg's, 26kg's is just huge... This actually means I have actually shed 161kg's from my 360 now !!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG!!! I understood the weight saving was just 15kg's, 26kg's is just huge... This actually means I have actually shed 161kg's from my 360 now !!!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE] NICE Trev that is one serious diet your 360 has been put on !!
Please weigh your old seats too. Never did get the definative weight of the originals. Even think about your car for a moment. Just your cf seats, cs exhaust and ccm brakes have already saved you about 50kg's !
Wow just weighed the old seats .... 42.6kg each Did'nt weigh the CF sports ones from you, did you ? they must have be about half that. And your new challenge ones even lighter still ?????
have i tried them? well actually YES ! i have a 360cs with ccm brakes. at first i liked them and thought they were pretty good. then i went to imola and witnessed first hand that EVERYBODY that was serious about tracking the cs or the scud, had ALL changed to steel brakes. i rode in one and noticed the difference immediately. instead of no initial reaction then the late grabbiness, there was immediate bite and easily modulated stopping power. then i went to the factory tour. drove the 599 gtb and 599 gtb hgte, then i drove the california, then i drove the 458....all these have the ccm brakes, and all have the same problem. the ferrari test and race drivers on hand did not want to discuss the brake issue openly. but later on they admitted that if it were their choice they would be running steel brakes on any car on track. then i was at my dealer picking up another car, and got to talking with the race mechanic for the dealer's challenge cars, and he too was bemoaning the fact that the factory would not let them switch since the cars had to run as they came from the factory. one of the privateers had bought the previous years car and had switched to steel and the performance at dijon was nearly 2 seconds better. then spoke with some ferrari guys who race porsches in supercup. they laughed at the ccm brakes. they get to run steel and when they replace the discs it costs them 2k instead of 20k. and their stopping power is greater. i am not making this stuff up. i am not necessarily advocating that those who already have ccm as standard change back to steel, unless they are seriously tracking a scud. but in my opinion if you already have steel brakes, you are doing yourself no favors at all to switch to ccm. its a costly change, for negligible if any benefit, and more likely downside.
