Air Conditioning refurbishment for my 308

Hey Bluemax,

I too would really like to know the part number, source, or whatever you can share about the new blower motor and squirrel cages. Huntsville, AL summers are not unlike Houston, very hot and humid. I'd sure like to enjoy the 308 in the summer too!

--Woody

 

JR,

Many thanks. Take your time, I appreciate the info at your leisure. I'm hoping to make the a/c my winter project this year.

--Woody

 

Max,

There of many of us that will learn from your experience.
I am hoping to do all of this late in the year to my car.

Any chance you can post all f the parts numbers that you used for this upgrade?
(Compressor, condensor, evaporator, blower, fans and relay)

I'd like to order all of the parts you have used...

Also did you come in under $1,000 in parts as you hoped?

Thanks again for this great thread,
Brian

PS When I showed my GF this thread she said a heart felt "thank you" as well as she won't cook next summer when we go for rides

 

Beautiful work installing the Sanden. But I'm curious about the method used to insure belt/pulley alignment.

 

Thanks Bluemax, this is a huge help. I was already planning to pick and choose a bit, so to speak. My car has a new radiator, and I believe the old york compressor is fine, if not as efficient as the newer sanden that I installed on my old 911. On that car I had replace the hoses with the newer barrier hoses, because as someone else here mentioned, they were known to leak through the hose itself. I've wondered if the same isn't true on the 308.

For the 308 I'm thinking I'll switch the blower motor and cages, see if additional vents can be added, replace or rewire the fans, and possibly have the hoses re-made with newer material. I have a small stash of R12, but I have also had good luck with the HC-12a from foxtoolsupply dot com. Yes, I know it is propane based, but it worked well in an old mercedes I had and I figure if I get hit hard enough in the 308 to leak freon in the passenger compartment, then I have bigger problems. I know there are a number of factors at work, but I think moving more air with the blower may be the biggest net gain overall, while the fans in front will make their contribution in traffic and while stopped.

Anyway, thanks again, and I'll post progress when I get into the project.

--Woody

 

Another option you might consider is making a rigid duct using the fiberglass and the lost foam method. I ran across the link below some time back and thought it would be perfect for brake ducts or a/c ducts. You can model your part in foam and any shape or cross-section, so your duct doesn't necessarily need to be round, and can be fitted to whatever works best under the dash. Mounting tabs could be included on the fiberglass, and the whole thing could be painted black to disappear under the dash.

--Woody

http://www.instructables.com/id/Simple-methods-for-molding-fiberglass-and-carbon-f/step3/Method2-lost-foam-molding/

 

SPAL USA has AC/Vent outlets that look just like the OEM Ferrari round mounts on top of the dash.

http://www.spalusa.com/store/main.aspx?p=CategoryBody&c=BLAC

 

I just refilled with Freeze 12, and boy am i suprised at how cold the A/C now gets... had it out today at noon in Atlanta traffic, A/C on hi, and it was genuinely comfortable... I'm so suprised!

 

Not to be an alarmist but anyone considering using a Sanden compressor please note:

1) Sanden compressor pulleys are designed for a 40° V-belt
2) Ferrari used a 60° V-belt
3) using a 60° V-belt on the Sanden could cause a catastrophic failure of the V-belt
4) simply using a 40° V-belt won't work since the crakshaft pulley is also designed for a 60° V-belt
5) worst case scenario is the broken V-belt ends up damaging the camshaft timing belt(s)

YOU KNOW THE REST OF THE STORY!

 

I am installing this kit currently:

http://www.retroair.com/ferrariairconditioning.html

Everything has been well-made/designed for the 308, however I ran into a snag this weekend - you cannot install the long A/C Compressor lines with the fittings pre-attached. They will not run behind the fuel tank and make the 90-degree 'turn' to feed into the conduit that runs the length of the car to the front. In talking with the manufacturer, we're going to cut-off one pair of fitting ends, run the hose, and re-attach a new set of fittings to the hose once installed (they're going to mail me a new set).

 

Can you provide more information about the kit.

What's included?

Does it replace all componenets?

Any photos?

Thank you,

Robert

 

Well, this is disturbing news! I'm about to install a Sanden in my 328. The problem is the V-shape/angle of the belt profile? What can be done to overcome this problem? Can my OEM York AC pulley be retrofitted to the Sanden?

Also, Sean, thanks for the SPAL link for new dash vents--my car has 2 broken ones.

Greg

 

It appears that, with the Gates 11M875 v-belt, no one is having problems.
I have been concerned about this for a while and, now that I am ripping the car apart to re-install the AC, it's becoming a greater concern.

Let me know if you discover a procedure to swap out the pulley from the old York to the new Sanden as I have both.

Cheers!


Sent from my iPhone
(which probably means I'm sitting at my car confused)

 

Don't sweat it. I've been running that set up for a few years and had zero problems. The belt is flexible enough, and there is enough contact that it works just fine.

Also, Steve Car's cell is 832-868-0564 PM also sent.

 

Thanks Sean--guys please see my new thread in the Tech Section--I've got a rear bank cam gear off timing, happened today during my attempt to install new belts and tensioners. Any advice would be welcome.

Greg