Got nailed speeding in my fcar

Agreed. Especially all the revenue collection officer sympathizers bringing up saftey.

 

1. If something is legal anywhere, then it should be legal everywhere.

2. If any politician, ever, has broken the rules, then it's okay for all of us to break the rules as well.

3. I only have to obey the laws I agree with.

4. A man who drives 20 mph over the speed limit is a "law abiding citizen."

5. If I believe that a criminal record is "unacceptable," then I don't have to face the consequences of my actions.

6. Driving fast is just as safe as driving slow.

7. People who can afford Ferraris are necessarily better drivers than people who can only afford lesser cars.

8. Rich people should be exempt from facing the consequences of their actions.

9. Everyone who owns a Ferrari is logical.

10. "British" is a language, and it's wholly distinct from "English," the official language of the United States of America, which we're using now (more or less) to equate the action of one man driving his expensive and exclusive motorcar at excessive speeds with the courageous rise of the American colonists who gave their lives in the fight against British Imperial tyranny.

 

Finally! +1

 

It seems that the point is to generate revenue and to make work for the Virginia Justice system.
Laws perceived to be unjust undermine faith in the entire legal system.

 

Gil308...Im pretty sure he is being sarcastic. There is no way anyone can possibly agree with most of those...

 

True.

Like you said, ultimately they want money. They arent interested in the literal aspect of the misdemeanor charges which is why I think they will usually drop them in lieu of a large fine.

 

You pay the piper and dance the dance.

 

Probably.

However, if you already have a documented history of driving well above the speed limit, they will probably not just let you off with a fine. I've never known of a jurisdiction that didn't reduce speeding penalties the first time, but by the second or third time they'll probably impose the full penalty just to drive the point home.

 

Well thats a whole other can of worms...

I agree the speed limits are bogus. But you have to be an idiot to keep doing something that causes you harm just because you dont want to be told you cant.

I would love to cruise at 90 all day long but I dont want to pay the penalty for doing it so i dont. Some people want their cake and eat it to...

Thats my problem.

 

??????? I wish I could see your logic but I can't seem to get my head shoved..............

 

There you go.

The OP admitted that he'd already done the driving school route, evidently within the last year, so he's not going to get credit for that.

While I do agree that Virginia's law is Draconian by equating speeding 20 mph over the limit with assault, I'm a little disinclined toward sympathy for a guy who's already been convicted within the last 12 months for sufficiently excessive speeding to require traffic school, who then asserts that he "won't accept" any further penalties.

So, to the OP, my advice is:

1. Don't try that "logic" with the judge unless you want to experience the full fury of the Iron Hand of Justice.

2. Hire a really good lawyer.

3. Show some humility in the courtroom, as it won't help your case to tell or show the judge exactly what you think of him or her, the proceedings, or the laws of the Commonwealth of Virginia.

4. Promise not to exceed the speed limit in future and throw yourself at the mercy of the court.

5. As a recidivist, accept the consequences like a man. And move on.

6. Continue to initiate entertaining threads on F-Chat.

 

I have to half disagree. As "Fred2" made the point, "Lawmakers view Motorists as a piggy bank for cash strapped municipalities. Public Safety has absolutely nothing to do with ticket revenue."

If they are shaking me down like a piggy bank, you can bet your a$$ that I'm wanting to "get out of it".

If I was cold-busted being naughty, I'll be a man, pay for having fun, then move on with my life. (example: getting a ticket for 95 in a 60 on the highway)

Problem is, it is a well proven fact that speed limits are set arbitrarily low as a means of revenue flow. (example: getting a ticket for 75 in a 60 on the highway)

When they start playing fair, then so will I...& so will other drivers.

 

I think I shed a tear.... man hug ?

 

This is good advice from page 2: consider consulting the NMA--national motorists association

 

speeding is not dangerous in itself, normally. we have track days. the problem is other drivers on the same road cannot cope with the level of awareness. i hate to say this but here goes, so far i have never been nailed for speeding, since the sixties. cause then was a heavy foot and a Vette. that was enough. but i am way overdue. coming up or down an interstate ramp is where it's going to happen

 

I suffered a similar fate in Fairfax Co in NoVA, but my experience was different. I was cited (about 10 years ago) for 8mph higher in a 55mph. Conditions were 8-lane, straight road. Dry. About 1am. Not another soul or car on the road. Crystal clear record and an ex-GrandAm driver, fyi. As soon as I passed the MWTA cruiser parked on the Wolftrap on-ramp, I pulled over, turned off the engine and waited for him. He cited me, and let me go. Did virtually the same thing as WCH. Ended up with a 180-day sentence (174 of which were suspended) and lost my license for 6-months. I took my medicine, spent a weekend in the Fairfax Hilton and moved. SCREW VA. I feel the the penalty was disproportionate to the crime, and there's simply no way to convince me otherwise. And, for the holier-than-thou crowd (Annunaki, in particular), blow it out your a$$. I did not weasel out, but it was an unjust punishment. PERIOD. Especially, when DUIs were walking out of court with NO prison time. And, it is unwarranted to ruin someone's livelihood as a result of ... speeding on an empty road. VA is OUT OF CONTROL. And, nothing Annunaki says can change my mind on that. Sit in CA and pontificate. Until you're subjected to the draconian traffic laws of VA, your opinion is uninformed.

BTW, my attorney at the time, told me as traffic violations such as reckless aren't a crime of "moral turpitude", it would not affect my bar admissions. Thus, I don't see how it would affect a security clearance, as long as it's disclosed. And, people don't lose their security clearance if they take illegal substances...they lose it if they lie about it. So, I'm not entirely sure I agree with the fact that this conviction would cause someone to lose their clearance. However, I'm not an expert on it. There are, however, lawyers that do specialize in it, and due process is guaranteed with respect to losing a clearance.

I'll relate another story. My neighbor recently was involved in a DUI with a head-on (with injury to the other driver). He very clearly made an enormous mistake, for which there is no justification. However, he is in his mid-50's, has a clear record, and runs a government contractor that employes 150 people. As a result of this, he will have to sell his business (or at least hire a new CEO to replace him), because he cannot hold a security clearance. Are you telling me that's just? It's bad. Very bad. But, again, the punishment does not fit the crime. And, the other driver? She's milking this for everything she can. She claims to have been injured, shows up in court with crutches, but walks just fine out of the courthouse without crutches. It's crap like that that makes us all cringe. I don't excuse what he's done, and he'll get some jail time, too. But, at what point is this so absurd that we send the politicians back home with their tails between their legs?

CW

 

Um, what's a "man hug?" Something like this? . . . Well. . . okay. . .
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CW, I assume you must have had significant prior tickets to get a 180-day sentence for doing 63 in a 55 mph zone, true?

Any way, it sounds like a severe punishment for speeding 8 mph over, even if you did have priors.

To me, the worst speeding tickets are the ones on the same toll road in Fairfax Co where the speed limit goes from 55 mph (or, at a different location, 65 mph) down to 35 mph right before the toll booths. I have no problem with a 35 mph before the booth but not when they start that speed limit back where everyone is still naturally doing the full speed before even thinking about starting to brake for the upcoming booths. It is extremely easy to get a 20-mph-over ticket doing 55 mph as you pass the 35-mph-sign out there.

They need to find the distance prior to the toll booth where 80% of the people naturally slow to 35 mph and locate the 35-mph-signs there.

 

To be fair and honest, they should post a "Reduced Speed Ahead" sign followed by a "Speed Limit 45" sign about a half mile before the toll booth, then another "Reduced Speed Ahead" sign followed by a "Speed Limit 35" sign about a quarter mile before the toll booth. At that point, if there's not a direct line of sight to the toll booth, "Stop Ahead" notices should also be posted.

A sudden drop from 55 to 35 mph can be more dangerous than exceeding the speed limit if you're in heavy traffic and/or someone behind you isn't paying close attention.

 

I think its great we can all debate this and stay civil...oh wait, nevermind.

You amuse me. Carry on.

 

L - O - fecking - L ! ! ! ! !

Bradley, you have effectively summarized the logic and attitude of this and many of the fine, gentlemanly threads offered to the world by the collective group of intellectuals known as FerrariChat.

 

No, toggie, clear record. But, perhaps my post was misleading in a way. 8mph faster than WCH's cited speed. Triple digit. Sorry if that was not clear.

CW

 

And, you amuse me.

There's 10 pages on this thread, and you're all over it. You don't know anything about how VA prosecutes speeding.

CW

 

Jail time, even a suspended license, for 103 in a 55 is complete idiocy absent other circumstances, and IMO the judge who imposed that penalty was an utter, hopeless jackass.

 

Absurd, but true.

CW