German GP: If You Were The FIA....(SPOILER)

Disqualification. As I said before, I hate the rule, and hate Barrichello for causing the rule, but it IS the rule.

 

Its a dumbass rule because it is a team sport. That being said, Ferrari were way to obvious in the way they did it and that makes the whole race a farce. Also we have a unique situation going on here. We all know that about 60% of F1 fans are Ferrari fans. But this year is a little different for Ferrari fans in the way that they are divided in their support for Alonso and Massa. Ferrari fans are not just pulling for the WDC and WCC but many are pulling for one driver to beat the other. I think that the balance is just slightly in favour of Massa and that make todays move very distasteful for many Ferrari supporters. If Ferrari keep doing this kind of thing then they will end up imploding the whole team.

 

Disgracefull result!!!!!! Blatent cheating. They should not be awarded any points.

 

To set an example here either put them in 11th and 12th place or disqualify them completely.

However, I am sure the FIA will do nothing - not even "investigate".

>8^)
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5 sec penalty to Alonso, which would swap the places around whilst keeping the same team result.

 

Time penalty for alonso.

+5 grid spots for both cars at the next GP.

Unfortunatley,... todays result is good for Bernie, so nothing will happen.

 

Exactly.

 

Ferrari are in hot water with the German race stewards after using team orders in Sunday's grand prix.

With Fernando Alonso gaining on Felipe Massa, Ferrari ordered the Brazilian to step aside for his team-mate.

"So Fernando is faster than you? Can you confirm you understand that message?" Rob Smedley said to Massa on lap 49 of the grand prix.

A few corners later and Massa slowed down, allowing Alonso to take the lead, the victory and a much-needed 25 points.

However, team orders are banned in Formula One. Rule 39.1 states: "Team orders which interfere with a race result are prohibited."

As such, Ferrari have been summoned to appear before the German stewards and could face the possibility of having their victory stripped away.

Smedley, though, is confident that won't happen.

"I don't expect any penalties whatsoever because Alonso was just faster and Massa made a small mistake when shifting up three gears at once," he told Germany's

 

The question is what constitutes an order. All we ever heard were hints - an outright order as such... wouldn't say so. And since the rule refers to "orders"....

 

I voted penalized. What disgusting move by Ferrari. Team orders exists, i admit that, but not this early in the season, especially when Massa still has a possibility of winning the WDC.

 

I voted for penalization even though I think the rule itself is stupid. But Ferrari are stupid too if they think they can get away with it. Maybe it can serve the purpose to rethink the rules. Just like the ban on testing, it's rediculous. And the two tire compound rule is another farce. They're all micro-managing rules.

 

$100,000 fine

Very brief..

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/25072010/2/ferrari-f1-team-fined-100-000-stewards-breach-sportin.html

 

The rule is stupid to boot.

No penalty necessary. Team orders happen all of the time. We know they do.

Ferrari is stupid as well. Sack Massa (for not being a team player) and Domenicali (for being stupid enough to let these tidbits out in public and just be a plain bad boss) already.

 

http://planetf1.com/editorial/6278903/Why-Ferrari-Were-Wrong...

Fernando doesnt need the help? I guess he did today and made a great F1 weekend for many a joke...again.

Horner is right - worse team order ever and as messed up as Red Bull are, he said he would NEVER make that call. I truly believe he would have Vettel and Mark sort it on the track.

Never mind I had a great weekend in the paddock(last minute invite) and even had chats with some great F1 people(hey, pics with Eddie Jordan) this makes it less special. I have no doubt FA would have found a way around, but WE WILL NEVER KNOW. Ferrari are messed up and lost. Felipe earned it. Im a Felipe fan yes, but he didnt lose that position by chance or error. NOT AT ALL!

 

Not a team player? Have another drink! FA he is not, but a clear team player he is. Pick someone better or who does not appreciate driving for the Scuderia more. Get a grip.

 

Todt won't let them walk on this. His credibility is clearly on the line as the FIA leader.

 

If he was a team player he would have let Alonso pass as he was obviously much faster. Then we wouldn't be in this mess now.

Massa can't win the WDC anyway and never will in the future.

 

I am not denying Ferrari's team order is stupid, not at all.

Which is why Massa should be sacked. he is not a team player.

Like I just said he can't win a damn thing (as usual) and thus should move over and let Alonso pass.

But it appears Massa's interest is more with himself than the TEAM.

A pity it had to come to this, that the team had to set him straight.

A pity the boss is such a moron as well.

 

Passing is part of the sport, an art actually. One that Fernando is well versed in. Too bad the team took away the potential for him, his 30 million Euro salary to entertain the crowd with it. As Planet F1 states - Does he need the help? History shows he doesnt. I have no sympathy for him or the team.

If FA cant pass Felipe, well that's life in F1 and you get over it.

 

Aparently Ferrari has been fined for Smedley saying to Massa that Alonso was quicker and then asked him if he understood that message. Not long after, Massa let Alonso through. So, what exactly happened?

Well, clearly Massa was informed of Alonso closing in and apparently that information let him to slow down and give Alonso a clear run accelerating from the hairpin.

First off, there is no rule that stipulates that teammates shoulf fight eachother for position. If one decides to let the other through, than that is his decision. In fact, a driver is never obliged to put up a fight. There is no rule stipulating that.

Second, there is the question whether or not a teamorder as meant in article 39.1 of the sporting regulations was given. This seems to be the core of the conversation. Smedley to Massa:

"Fernando is faster than you. Can you confirm you understood that message?"

So, do we have here a teamorder as meant in artikel 39.1 To me, clearly no. This is nothing more than a piece of information, not consisting the direct order to let Alonso through.

Surely, it is clear what Ferrari was trying to achieve. Of course they felt their interests better served by Alonso heading Massa instead of vice versa. Nothing wrong with that. Apparently Massa understood also. But that is not against the rule. The rule stipulates that a direct order must be given. By the absence of such an order, no rule was broken so no penalty would be in place.

Instead, the stewards decided upon their OPINION, not upon the FACTS, that Ferrari have breached 39.1 and have brought the sport in disrespect. As explained, 39.1 wasn't voilated, but the sport wasn't brought in disrespect as well.

Of course anyone would understand that is simply not logical to expect a team to allow their drivers taking risks with eachother by talking oneanother to battle. That hardly ever happens and you just can't expect it from a team. Every team will first and foremost protect their own sporting and commercial interests, and when that means that one of their drivers should give way to the other, that will somehow be done.

If the FIA keeps this up it will result in teams hiding their orders. One driver will have a slightly more lengthy pitstop, or will make a 'mistake'. That would mean a charade as we know from pro-wrestling and such. And if that isn't bringing F1 in disrespect I do not know what is.