German GP: If You Were The FIA....(SPOILER)

Did you miss it where I said slap on the wrist penalty?

 

Of course not as he is not allowed to win. How would you like to start a race when you are limited to 2nd place at best. Alonso has to stop crying like he did on the radio today when Massa didnt let him by shortly after he got out of the pits. What was it he said then?
"this is ridiculous" .What is ridiculous is the fact that we are watching a race that some drivers are not allowed to win.

Bdelp came up with a very good idea and that is splitting the points when 2 drivers of the same team finish 1 - 2. I think that could be extended to anywhere in the points where the drivers are back to back. But then we could actually see someone ordered to let another team pass so the #1 driver gets maximum points. In that case there should be huge penalties.

 

Alonso was the far faster car. Once he was past Massa he disappeared. Alonso if you check the standings, for Ferrari to support Massa at this stage is stupidity.

Great win today by FA!

 

Also one Ferrari driver barely held onto 2nd place

 

If the Old Man was still around, Massa would have been TOAST!

 

+1. We had a scenario like Vettel/Webber where Alonso would have been perilously close to being passed by Vettel had the slower Massa been allowed to stay in front. That or we would have risked a wreck/loss of a 1-2.

 

The faster driver does not usually win. Its the one that is consistent. Alonso did not win the German GP, he bought it.

 

He bought it by being the fastest driver on the track.

 

Watch out now, we may get hurt racing each other. Ok better not race then. What kind of chit is that?

 

It goes on all the time...A few races ago, Button took on Hamilton, only to be told in a very "politically correct way" to back OFF...how soon we all forget. The Italians are just a little more direct in their approach, non of that Bull Sh** talking in codes...Save fuel, so in other words BACK OFF PAL before crashing into each other

 

Perhaps his spirit and determination had been crushed?

Look, for all the people who want to say "Alonso was faster and he would have eventually taken the position" I have no problem with that, and to see the two drivers race for that first position would have been one of the thrills of the season. To automatically assume that the two would have crashed and taken each other out is pretty short sighted. I certainly don't buy it.

The fans were denied real competition and a real result here. That you aren't sickened over the finishing order being decided by a small committee on the pitwall is also disappointing.

>8^)
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It goes on all the time...A few races ago, Button took on Hamilton, only to be told in a very "politically correct way" to back OFF...how soon we all forget. The Italians are just a little more direct in their approach, non of that Bull Sh** talking in codes...Save fuel, so in other words BACK OFF PAL before crashing into each other

 

So Italians are assh*l*s? I will let my Italian best friend know when he gets back from his cruise.

Actually you are correct.

 

Within a team matters are looked at differently.

 

If you through all of the responses to this thread, amazing how those that are normally happy with a Ferrari win are......disgusted.

I am disgusted, I hope the win is thrown out. You have to win by earning it, not cheating.

Damn, I forgot, I am talking about Alonso.

I am surprised how many here do not care that the team they support broke the rules. Again.

That is not winning.

 

Technically Santander bought it.

But, Enzo would be proud. They finished 1 and 2 and picked up points. How they do it and how the drivers feel about it is not important.

 

You're lost. "Breaking the rules" had no effect on whether or not the team won. The team earned the win.

The team put their better, faster driver first for the good of the team and actually having a chance at the title. You're obviously an Alonso hater.

 

+ 1000...its a TEAM SPORT

 

NO, they just are NOT Pu**ies

 

Ferrari fined $100,000 for using team orders

Sunday 25th July 2010


Fernando Alonso gets to keep his German GP victory but may have to take a pay cut after Ferrari were fined $100,000 for using team orders in Germany.

The Scuderia caused outrage in Germany on Sunday when they ordered Felipe Massa to move aside, allowing Fernando Alonso to take the victory and the much-needed 25 points.

Ferrari were immediately called into the stewards' office to answer charges of bringing the sport into disrepute with their use of team orders, which are banned.

The Scuderia, though, insisted that it was not a team order but rather a "driver decision".

"We didn't give any instruction at all. I don't think anything wrong has been done, or regulation breached," communications director Luca Colajanni told the BBC.

"Fernando was slightly quicker at that stage, and we informed the drivers."

However, the stewards did not agree, deeming Ferrari to have contravened Article 39.1 of the Formula 1 Sporting Regulations, which states that 'team orders which interfere with a race result are prohibited.'

They were also charged with a breach of article 151c of the FIA International Sporting Code.

That relates to 'any fraudulent conduct, or any act prejudicial to the interests of any competition or to the interests of motor sport generally.'

The Italian marque have been handed a $100,000 fine, although the race results and Alonso's victory still stand.

Ferrari, though, could face further sanctions as the matter has also been referred to the FIA World Council 'for further consideration.'

However, the Scuderia have already confirmed they will not appeal the decision.

"As for the Stewards' decision, given after the race, in the interests of the sport, we have decided not to go through a procedure of appealing against it, confident that the World Council will know how to evaluate the overall facts correctly," said team boss Stefano Domenicali.

 

There's something to that. There's so little passing on track in F1, it's a shame to have more passes removed.

My initial reaction was "Ferrari just fired Massa on the radio".

Massa put up with being Schumi's b**ch for a year, played support to Kimi, had his own potential championship year botched by the pit wall, and has been repeatedly stepped on by Alonso, and took it all without complaining.

Now Ferrari tells him that loyalty counts for squat, and that the ends justify the means.

There are only two responses to such a message:
1) Become a gorilla driver, too ---- guaranteeing a situation like Red Bull, with the team cars taking each other out.
or
2) "Take this job, and shovel it".

I don't think FIA has to do anything.
What could they do to Ferrari that Ferrari haven't already done to themselves?


Now I know there will be those who would celebrate the departure of a team player like Massa.
But I don't subscribe to the theory that: "all champions are jerks" = "being a jerk makes you a champion".

(Funny how most of the Massa haters don't remember F1 before Ayrton.)

(Oh: and for those who still take Massa being Shumi's tire tester in '06 as "can't drive in the rain", have another look at Friday P1 times.)

 

He didn't "put up with it." He was.

Also, how soon you people forget about China 2008 when Kimi was told to move over for Massa to help him win the title because FM was in the better position. Get real, the bottom line is FA was in the better position to win the title today (and was also faster) and thus was gifted the spot.

It also happened with Kovalainen and Hamilton in 2008 but no one said anything because this website has more Hamilton fans than Alonso fans.

 

The only thing that doesn't count for squat is Massa's chances for the championship. Massa put Massa where he was today -- far behind Alonso in the points half way through a rather terrible season.

When Massa had his chance to be world champ, the team did everything it could to give it to him. When he was hurt, they did everything to get him back in the car.

Today, he paid back because it was the right thing to do to support the team -- the same team that supported him many times before.

 

I miss the Prost Senna wars. Those were real drivers that would never think of winning a championship on team orders. F1 and it's superstar drivers are all a big JOKE!

 

I agree with you on everything, except with what you say about Massa.
He is a good team player who sacrificed a victory already in his hand to favour a team mate who has better chances to win the title.
I do not know what else he could have done.
On the other hand, how the team handled the whole affair is purely pathetic.
One more confirmation the team needs a complete overhaul.