Vegan Ferrari possible?

Anything that is leather could be covered in alcantara which is a synthetic fabric.

 

Yep, and heterosexuals too.

 

I'm not sure we have the same definition of sissy.

 

Not an option, we keep 'em open until everyone has had their say.

DM

 

Why reupholster a used car, the cows are dead already.

 

Bingo. The only way you are likely to get your cruelty free Ferrari is to order a new one to your specs and pay the extra money to do so. The cows are already dead. Reupholstering the existing leather interior means the cow died in vain.

And what about the thousands of extremely small black horses they kill to use for the logo?

 

the problem is your point in the post was that my post was irrational. now it's that the guy is a vegan and wants cloth seats. you used the fact that you 'lean conservative", whatever that means, to prove it. But it doesn't prove it. it proves my point. you aren't a vegan and you have leather seats. Get it?

 

plus we are having too much fun. I'm sure someone will lose an eye eventually though.

 

Aw, mom!

 

Well, I was trying to question the rationale behind precisely where to "draw the line", (and then I got carried away).

There are good medical reasons to avoid human flesh. (Some of those also apply to pork.)
I can understand avoiding certain foods for medical reasons.

But "life" isn't limited to things that walk around. All life on this planet, whether flora or fauna -- including humans -- shares the same organic chemistry, and the same pool of organics. An apple will come from a tree that grew on soil fertilized by other life forms. Even your tap water has microscopic life forms in it.
You can't really avoid the life-death-life cycle in a closed ecosystem, like a planet.


So when you decide not to "live off death", just where can you make a distinction that is meaningful?

Is a cow "more human" than a carrot? Because it can run away? Because it has ears? (So does corn. )

If the bugs in your apple are too small to see, does it matter? Or the copepods in your water?
(Is NYC water "kosher": http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/07/nyregion/07filter.html)

Is this why there are so many different "flavors" (nudge nudge) of vegetarians?
Because there's no obvious distinction which isn't subjective?


(Silliness for the other crowd follows)
One other thing that will annoy the Prius set: vegetarian meals reportedly (and from experience) produce more flatulence ...
... so then you have that whole carbon credits issue.

And if you drive a Ferrari, and it's a convertible, and driving it makes you smile, ...
... what about the bugs in your teeth?

 

Chances are that neither the carrot nor the cow would exist if they weren't tasty.

 

Allright, I'll ratchet it down a notch. Your post was good exercise in namecalling. Discussion over.

 

So, to have a 'fully vegan' or 'vegan compliant' Ferrari, what would you use for the timing belt? Aren't they based on petro products that violate the 'rules'?

Just sayin'

Mike in Kuwait

 

I would be interested in what you ultimately come up with here, as I am looking for something similar (I'm a vegan weirdo myself). My ideal would be to do it in MBTex (the Mercedes non-leather option). According to my local Ferrari dealer, you can pretty much do anything you want on a new model / special order.

Here is a summary of what I have found in my searching for various cars:

+ Mercedes: Mbtex available on most (maybe all) higher end models - I like Mbtex a lot.
+ BMW: Non-leather option available on most models (not sure what it is called, by my experience is that I like it a lot better than leather in terms of its wear, consistency, and look and feel.)
+ Porsche: According to the sales guy I talked to, can be done in pretty much anything via special order, at least for higher end models. (Though to me, Porsches just seem to look funny for some reason and I just can't get past that.)
+ Tesla Roadster: Nice options here if you can live with the low top speed (130mph)
+ Lamborghini: I have not researched this yet, but intend to. I've heard bad things about my local dealer, though, which has put a damper on this potential purchase.
+ Aston Martin: According to my local dealer, can be ordered just about any way you like it
+ Ferrari: According to my dealer: Whatever you like, if you buy new
+ Mazaratti: Not sure here, based on their web site it does not look promising, but I have not talked to a dealer.

As far as USED Ferraris go, it's hard to find anything. From what I can see the "race" models seem to offer non-leather for weight reasons. The Challenge Stradale comes to mind, though like you I also don't know if it's totally leather free.

 

Why is it you have no problem filling the tank with Dead Dinosaurs, but have a problem sitting on Dead Cows?

 

Who cares? If its his Ferrari he can do what ever he wants. A more important question to me would be, why do smokers throw burning objects out of their car windows and not think its littering? Eating Vegetables does nothing to others other than pissing off closed minded Conservative Ferrari enthusiasts.

 

The justifications for eating animals amaze me. I can appreciate the honesty of "they taste good and, as a more powerful being, I value my palette more than their life," but the recycling and making grass edible by humans? So how about we have some human-skin shoes and sausage? Or even dog-fur boots and canine steaks? Either notion is appalling to most of us (yes, I know some cultures eat dog), and yet we gladly accept the killing of other animals to sate our taste buds and other wants for clothing, upholstery, cosmetics, and more.

And third-world countries' diets? I am no expert, but I do know that it is far cheaper to feed people without domesticated animal meat that without, and India is largely vegetarian. Hunting animals for food is cheaper in the short term than growing food, until the animals are depleted, then there are other more significant issues. I don't think it can be honestly debated that eating fewer animal products is (1) less expensive; (2) less envrinmentally harmful; and (3) healthier than eating meat 1-2 x per day. Now that does not mean you need to get all militant vegan, but the meat-eaters can be equally intolerant - and all because they want to put a gloss on meat tasting good.

But back to the topic, it is hard to get a luxury car without leather and I too admit I like leather in some instances.

The F40 is vegan in materials, I think - albeit carbon-based in body work. But then again, most platics and vinyl come from petroleum, which is ancient plant and animal matter, so . . . .

 

I think that vegan think is actually dangerous, because it's self-destructing to humans.

So, if I eat cow, I have to eat dog meat to make it logical? The only illogical thing is that. I eat what it's acceptable in my culture and to me...

To me the humane thing to do is to not to waste anything when an animal is killed: meat, leather, all must be used.. Throwing away the leather is much more disrespectful than using it to cover the seats.

 

Anything can be done. I used to work for Audi and was involved in the development of their special order program here in the US. We did get the vegan request several times. You may have to pay extra for getting less equipment, but you can typcally order what you want. Be willing to wait. On cars with leather standard we used to charge people a fee for the special order and still make them pay for the leather parts that we were taking out. On a Ferrari, the easiest way would be to just wrap everything in alcantara or cloth. Can be easily done as you wold be picking from existing options. Start asking for something off the menu and the prices will skyrocket.

 

I'm a VEGAN. And I'm Proud to Be One.
By personal choice for nutrition, health reasons and love for animals (anti-factory farming and the likes of such barbaric institutions). I read with great amusement, some of the inane, moronic commentary on this thread. Hilarious!

Do yourself a huge favor. Read and learn 'what' you've been putting in your body all these years. Want to know why almost no one in Europe drinks milk after the age of 3, nor eats much meat (not in the morbidly obese portions of America)? Want to know the BS (pardon the pun) of the food industry? Then buy this book and read it:

SKINNY BASTARD
or for your ladies, SKINNY *****.

There is a reason the bad ass IronMan Champion 3x of the World is a VEGAN as well as so many people in Pro Sports, Entertainment, etc. It ain't Plastic Surgery keeping them young and fit.

Yes, I used to adore cassoulet. Foie gras. An occasional pound of bacon. Real Creamed Butter. That was a decade ago.

I'm healthier, stronger, wiser and feel 100x better than when I was 25 yrs old.
When I met my wife at Cirque du Soleil who is 15 yrs my junior, she was astounded I was older than she was. How is that possible? she asked.

Now she is a vegan.
And fit and hot.
Amazing what it will do for your complexion, BP, cholesterol, etc.

* * * *

Being a human, doesn't give us the right to "torture" animals. That my friends, is not humanity or anything but inhumane. You want to raise your own free-range chickens the right way, then cool. But boycott Factory farming, the Fur Trade / Industry and the disservices perpetuated by the Dairy, Beef, Fast Food and Big Oil Industries.

SKINNY BASTARD.
read it. If you are, in fact, man enough.
You'll thank me later.

PS: If you still smoke cigarettes, please disregard everything I wrote and go eat a couple of Big Macs and get a 64 ounce Coke to wash it down.

 

No.

And I'm not buying your book.

 

Duly noted, but I'd have to disagree with you slightly there. After working at Cracker Barrel for three and a half years, I've come to realize that most of the fat people (>300lbs) stick to the Diet Cokes and unsweet teas. Mind you, those are just to offset the mashed potatoes, the macaroni and cheese, the hashbrown casserole, the steak fries, the sugar-free maple syrup, the Promise spread fake butter--you know, the vegetables and the "not bad for you" items. Just in case.

I appreciate the inherent health qualities of veganism. But I'd wager that you and your wife's levels of physical fitness are not so much down to your diet as to the amount of exercise you perform. That doesn't mean you should eat poorly, but rather that your body is more than capable of handling a diverse diet when its metabolism is in proper order.

The OP's post is a legitimate question. But I can't say that any legitimate solution is currently available while living under an oil-based economy, as has already been mentioned.

My opinion? Something will get you someday...

I'm all in a tizzy. Gonna go finish off that pack of American Spirits.....oh, they're NATURAL cigarettes. None of the additives, mind you...



Cheers.

 

to fingolfin...
"And I'm not buying your book."

REPLY:

It's not my book (I didn't write it), but it is the best book for personal health and will power you'll ever read. It's not about trying to "convert" people into any rigid methodology. It's about good nutrition and wise consumption.

If you still don't still don't want to be "open" to the truth that's available, perhaps rent the movies: "FAST FOOD NATION" and "SUPERSIZE ME."

That should start to put things in perspective.

Bon appétit.

 

Seen both. I'm good.

 

I was in 'Chapters' yesterday and saw a new South Asian cookbook entitled "40 ways to wok your dog" , I didn't buy it either...