HORSELESS CARRIAGE or should I say USELESS CARRIAGE

I'd like to know why he was banned. Is HC a sponsor?

 

I banned kole for 24 hours for the personal attack in post 159.

Mike

 

Mseals, but this last comment is not a personal attack? I'm just not understanding. Kole has been attacked on this thread by others but no ban for them? Are warnings given before ban to correct behavior before a "time out?" Just want to clarify.

 

You forgot to mention that you banned Kayakjack for the same personal attack. Or if you didn't why not?

 

Paying Sales Tax maybe??? I dunno.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around where this "new Factory painted door " CAME from??

Another LR on the lot maybe???

They don't stock that sort of thing in the Parts Department, as far as I know....and admittedly on LR that's "not very much"...

Edit:

Sure enough, after reading back thru the posts, it all about "taxes"........this car had to come to Texas to "touch base" and get registered, or something???

Puleease!

It seems SOMEONE spent a lot of time on a very elaborate plan to buy the car they wanted, where they wanted, then has gone to a LOT of trouble shipping things all around the country to get them where they would be "used".........

I, personally, would have just mailed some titles around, got the taxes and registration done, and been done a long time ago....maybe when he comes back he can explain what part of what he did in regards to registration, taxes and transport expense makes this all a "great idea".......

For the Record: I think the black cars LR paints on a Tuesday are a slightly different tint than the ones they do on Friday...especially the black ones .

 

Kole was banned? That's silly. It was self-defense.

 

He'll be back real soon.........

 

You must be a friend of Mike's Why is my post silly? I was just trying to explain AGAIN that I am not on anyone's side, just trying to figure this stuff out...why? 'Cause I'm bored. I stand by my position though that it should be up to the accusor, not the accused, to prove his case. But this is FChat, and it's guilty until proven innocent.

As for another poster indicating HC stopped by then ran away...I don't think HC could possibly have anything to gain from going back and forth with Kole (or the forum) over this. They probably should not have posted anything, but returning here would certainly open them up to the type of scrutiny that Kole has come up against.

 

Hey...you're in TX...make some calls to LR! It's a long distance call for me

 

It's a long way from Houston to San Antonio too......but changing the whole door just for a "scratch" is just not credible, to me.

I had trouble on one of my limited edition Pontiacs and they sprayed it twice in the first three weeks and finally placated me with:

"Go drive the he11 out of it, and bring it back just before warranty experiation, we''ll paint it for you AGAIN!!

Pontiac used to stand for performance though and they really wanted you to USE the car....this was a Trans Am right after they went to all water based paint, and white DID have a lot of problems as gasoline would soak right thru it leaving a stain.

 

Check out post 112 If Kole got banned for his remark this guy should be getting a time out as well IMO.

 

So any time someone agrees with someone you disagree they must be friends. That is not just silly that is asinine. I only know Mike from FC and have both agreed and disagreed with his POVs in the past.

Again the size of the scratch means nothing to me the way HC handled it from the time it was discovered was. They should have been communicating more with Kole and LR in TX rather then hauling the car to a facility out of route to have it looked at by third parties.

 

Everyone please stop getting into each other's faces. Neither kole nor Horseless seem to be posting right now, so if this antagonism continues, the thread will be closed until kole's ban expires (less than 1 day now).

As far as "who started it", I've looked at #112, #158-#160 as referenced by posters and !'s. I concur with mseals that kole deserved the most action (all of 1 day ), in my mind primarily for post #160. The reality is that kole has been setting the tone of the exchange since post #1 and he has already been giving as well as getting; however, calling another user a "wannabe or groupie" and implying that lack of Ferrari ownership makes them second class was a bit too much. Particularly when the subject is auto transport and the car was a Land Rover .

 

Can someone PLEASE tell me if my posts are going through as I see them??? I know I put a little winky face after suggesting you and Kole are friends, thus implying it was in jest. It still appears on the post when I look at it. Do I need a new computer? I just got this one not too long ago...does FChat not work as well on Macs?

 

See Yin's post, above...

Mike

 

Mike and Yin,

You have to realize that it sure looks like you are taking sides when you ban someone on one side of the discussion, that is reacting with the exact same words that was used by someone on the other side of the discussion.

As for inferring that someone got called a second class citizen, I am afraid that is a bit of a stretch, which also leads one to believe that you guys are now trying to justify your actions, in the light of some of us questioning your motives.

Now with that said, I don't believe that this is a true public forum, but rather it is an Internet fourm that is owned by Rob Lay and if so he can side with anyone that he wants and he can ban anyone that he wants and if this is one of those cases, then I am okay with that. I just wanted to say from my direct experience with Horseless, you picked the wrong side

 

Why would we favor Horseless, a user who just signed up and has only posted once or twice? If you really think this has to do with picking sides then you're reading way too much into it. A 24 hour ban does not shut anyone up, it only reminds them to curb their behavior.

On the other hand, I really think it shows the worst side of the board to suggest that someone's opinion has no value because they don't own a Ferrari; some of our most valued users don't and I think it speaks poorly of kole that he wrote it and it sends the wrong message if we remain quiet about it. Whether Mike intended that or not, that was the reason for my concurrence.

 

My comments were not in any way questioning the motives of Mike or Yin. I believe Mike was justified in banning kole. I was only pointing out another that I believed to be way over the top. If Yin doesn't agree with me so be it. I am not going to let it keep me awake at night.

If Mike was referring to the comment kole made about the other guy not being a ferrari owner then I misunderstood there as well. I was under the impression kole was banned for the loser comment which was kole responding to the post above his using the very same insult.

I guess this is why I am not a moderator I would have gave all three of these guys a time out.

 

During some free time today, I went over to the local Land Rover dealer to have a look around. A very nice sales associate gave me a quick tour of the Range Rover Autobiography Sport Special Edition. They had only one in stock, and it was already sold, about to be shipped across the country to New York.

Bottom line sticker price on that thing is over $120,000, plus the cost to ship it to the new owner. Customer satisfaction is naturally very important at that level. The saleman pointed out to me that since the car has aluminum door panels, it requires special skills to do body work on it. He wouldn't be drawn into the argument about whether to replace the door or repaint it, saying (quite understandably) that the car was going to leave his dealership in new/mint condition, documented and signed in writing, and any issues that arose when the customer took delivery of the car would be between the transport company and the vehicle owner.

The black paint on the Range Rover is rather special, full of multi-colored sparkles that twinkle in the sunlight. Nice car. Glad you're satisfied with it, Kole.

 

Aluminum door panels...interesting. Could be the reason to replace vs. repair. You know, Kole, if you just told us THAT... (JUST IN CASE IT'S NOT COMING THROUGH>>>I JUST MADE A WINK FACE MEANING THAT COMMENT WAS IN JEST...kinda)

 

Cessnav8or,

Just out of curiosity, who is the the third guy you would ban?

And I want to go on record as saying you have the best Avatata...I mean R on FerrariChat

 

Darolls (post 112), Kayakjack (post 158) and Kole posts (159 and 160)

As far as the avatar Thanks. Who ever thought nomex could look that good.

 

+1

 

HA!! I'm reading back at the posts listed as reasons for being banned. Am I the only one who thinks Post #160 is amusing??? Read it...then look at Kole's public profile. Now, if he changes it prior to your reading it...it may not seem too amusing.

 

Not sure what real world you are from, but in many of them proof does not have to be provided. North Korea says you are a spy, you are a spy, period. Obviously we don't care about that example but my point is that in the real world that's not necessarily true. Here's a slightly better example: the ridiculous way the RIAA accuses file sharers. An example about cars: a pinto blows up and all pintos are death traps ... well it turns out they were no more dangerous than other cars of the era. More recently, it even turns out that the Toyota acceleration problem cases were all driver error issues. In all of these cases the burden of proof ended up being on the accused. Only in a court of law is proof from the accuser required.

In this case, sure one side or the other has to provide proof, but it may as well be HC.

Don't get me wrong, I understand in this case that Kole should probably provide the proof, given the fairly ridiculous nature of the claim and his attitude about it, but HC has their reputation to protect, and their drivers MUST carry cameras, so they must have evidence. If HC took the time to join the forum they may as well post their pics.