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  1. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    #26 ernie, Sep 1, 2010
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  2. ernie

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    #27 ernie, Sep 1, 2010
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    Speaking of fingers.

    Me thinks me sees a problem. And possibly the reason my clutch wasn't disengaging? See the three fingers that are touching? They aren't supposed to be doing that.

    Looks like it's off to the fatman's house to finish tearing this thing down. I have to go over to chubba-lard's place because I don't have the ring nut tool for getting the flywheel out of the housing.
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  3. ernie

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    #28 ernie, Sep 1, 2010
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    Do you see what I see?

    Yup.

    Leaking triple seals. Looks like I'll be changing those suckers too.

    See I told you guys. If it isn't one thing with this pile of crap, it's another. I should just bath it with gasoline and throw a match at it!!! When will the **** end with this m@#therf#$^*ing car. Or better yet take it to the flipping smash-up-derby at the fair. Or how about letting some good-ol-boys smash the piss out of it with a monster truck, and then lighting it on fire.
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  4. ernie

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    #29 ernie, Sep 1, 2010
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    Okay, okay.....

    Take it easy Ernie.

    Big breaths, big breaths. Easy there big fella.

    You know I think I'm gonna call it a day and put one of these down my throat.
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  5. notbostrom

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    awesome, you remember my trick for the triple seals right? You'r write up puts my cell phone pictured version to shame
     
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    #31 ernie, Sep 1, 2010
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    Think so. Wrap it in plastic, no?

    As for your cell phone pics. They worked right? Any write up is a good and helpful write up.
     
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    Sweet!

    Thanks for the link, and the handy little trick. I'll be using that for sure.
     
  9. I'm gone

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    This is great, I love pictures! Thanks.
     
  10. PAP 348

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    Ernie, you are a dead-set-f**ken legend mate! :D:D

    GREAT pics!! Its no wonder we love you around here! :eek::eek:

    Very good! Be sure to post more pics when you get that pumpkin apart. :D:D

    Good man! Carry on. :):)
     
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    #36 mr308gtb, Sep 1, 2010
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    Hi Ernie, first off, great work, truly excellent.

    I have to admit this is a really dumb question... but I am stumped. so you took off the bell housing which contained the flywheel, clutch disc, ring gear, etc.

    so I assume the shaft coming out of the car that has the spindles on it goes gets driven by the clutch disc when engaged.

    my question is what/where is the flywheel and pressure plate being driven from. I just can't see it??? I guess Im used to the more conventional desgin where crankshaft goes in and out the other side is the transmission input shaft, cleary this is not the case.

    thanks.
     
  12. ernie

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    It's all located behind the pressure plate, on the inside, in the back.
     
  13. ernie

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    Thanks Pap, and don't worry I'll be taking plenty more when I'm over at fatbillybob's place. Speaking of, I need give him a call and see if he's game for tomorrow.
     
  14. 2NA

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    It's a "shaft within a shaft" arrangement. Engine power comes down the small inner shaft and drives the flywheel (mounted on bearings in the "pumpkin") The clutch disk engages the larger splines on the outer shaft and transmits power to the gearbox.
     
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  15. fatbillybob

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    Come on by Thursday and we will run that PP to the shop (IN MY WORKING FERRARI) to get rebuilt and so new plates. Lets gut the clutch and do a FBB solid FW. I may go fishing Friday/saturday/sunday so are you free Thursday?
     
  16. jqpd99

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    Aww man... I know a few people interested in knowing how you did that... I'd love a write-up w/pics on the now infamous solid FW.

    BTW Ernie, great thread!

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  17. ernie

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    Fo shizzle.

    I'll see you tomorrow afternoon sometime. I'll call you in the morning.
     
  18. redzone

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    It never ends.The 348TS needs a pit crew to follow it around.LOL BUT driving it is a blast isnt it!
     
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    This was Ferrari's first attempt at making a racecar for the street. It was 1989 afterall. It was just as advanced for its day as the F430 with E-diff and new funky suspension layout. I think owners have as much to do with the 348 problems as Ferrari. It is just not true that these cars are that bad. During serivicing there must be very close attention to detail and use of work arounds for known problems. For example if you rebuild the gearbox Ferrari's way it will blow up again. If you do it with some of the the suggestions I have posted here they stay together just fine. Using Hill's throwout bearing and SRI's Gold connector kit are 2 more ways to skyrocket the reliability. "Cheaping out" rarely pays dividends. Sometimes it takes a little more than just being able to place tab A in slot B. In defense of Ernie he has an unusual example of a 348 and its problems stem from the PO not Ernie and not Ferrari. He is just the unlucky recipent of a real clusterF while being just too darn stuborn to say "uncle". But you all get to benefit from that in threads like these. So....any of you partwhores hording 348 parts better be cutting Erinie some good deals.
     
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    #45 redzone, Sep 2, 2010
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    Well then my car is Ernies twin brother separated at birth so thats a hard sell on how bad they arent.Ive driven the car 27k in 4yrs which is alot in ferrari miles but the 1st 10k was a non stop barrage of repairs.I also was the recipient of issues stemming from other owners.Some issues due to its poor design & poor workmanship.The shoddy wiring is inexcusable.Its a great thing for all that this forum exists & there are parts availible to upgrade & repair nagging problems permanently.There really isnt any wiggle room to "cheap out " or cut corners as you could pay dearly sooner than later.Often the parts manufactured elsewhere are far superior to the OEM that has proven to be inadequate.Even the smallest thing such as the plastic door lock keyway that strips out now(leaving you key spinning in the door) made by Hill in metal is a fine example of a permanent repair.When I changed mine there were two others that were laying in the door from 2 other "temporary" repairs.Many things that have failed on my 89 I have changed to ensure it was THE LAST TIME.Afterall it was meant to be driven not worked on all the time.I think the concesus from the 348 portion of this forum has condemned the 348s workmanship & build quility yrs ago.Now that I worked out the "bugs" its just normal issues.I spent 25hrs last week alone on repairs & service prior to a trip but I guess its a small price to pay for a car that I really do love.Here's the parts & service receipts.Maybe it looks worse than it really is.There ar 2yrs of service reciepts I am looking for that are in my office SOMEWHERE so thats not all of it. Time to go for a drive ) -John
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    I see A LOT of receipts from Ricambi! :eek::eek:
     
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    Can I borrow that picture to send to all the dorks on craig's list who email me that a car "just like mine" is $10k cheaper at the buy here pay here lot across town. Every one of them that calls.. I tell them hurry up and go buy it and call me back in a couple months to rub it in my face.. I've yet to get a call
     
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    #48 redzone, Sep 2, 2010
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    Thats half of them,I just cant find the other half of my records ( gotta keep diggin
    Ricambi has been soooooo helpful) I went for a fantastic drive today so it's all good!
     
  24. ernie

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    Okay.

    So I've show you guys how I removed the flywheel/clutch. Now I'm gonna show how to disassemble it.
     
  25. ernie

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    #50 ernie, Sep 3, 2010
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    First we need to remove the retaining bolts, that hold the clutch assembly to the flywheel.

    You don't need much force to get the bolts to come loose. Just sitting there the flywheel will spin on the bearing. So you will need some way of holding it still. What I did that worked just fine was, held the ratchet with one hand and then hit it with my fist to get the bolts to break loose. That did the trick and I didn't need to clamp down on the flywheel
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