what does everyone think will hapen over the next 4 races?? doesnt look great for the WDC or WCC does it???????:C
Even brand new engines can be prone to failures!. Also, it's not exactly like everyone else has two new engines per race left to play with so I'd say there's little point worrying about it too much.
i think the other frontrunners are on 7-8 now. i believe webber was in the best shape. i think he is on 6 now
http://www.formula1.com/news/features/2010/9/11273.html webber either ran the 3rd race on 6 today or 1st on seven. article was before todays race. ferrari can use old engines but they wont be able to practice as much or push as hard in qualifying/race . thats a lot of pressure, always wondering if its going to let go at a crucial moment
...ok, it needs to be said: This is a stupid and pointless rule. If everyone is running out of engines, with 4 races left to go...then they all need more engines. This is 'motor' sport....apparently without the 'motors'....
You have a point, but another point that is missing is that any of the teams can use and do work on the existing engines. Alonso won yesterday on a engine that had 2500 KM on it. They still have juice in the tank there......I think we are all overplaying this engine issue. Ferrari appears to be getting a lot of wear and tear out of their blocks (though Sauber and STR) may disagree. I would like to know what exactly can be changed on the "used up" engines? Is just the block sacred grounds, pistons, rings?
not to worry just yet... He can still use his 'used' engines, he just needs to have a lot of luck that they won't go up in a very expensive cloud of smoke during the races/quali. of the WDC contenders, Webber has the best advantage at the moment with the most engines left over, as been said a few posts earlier, he either has 1 or 2 fresh engines left.
+1 To be honest, whether or not Massa, Alonso, or whoever wins the title...doesn't really matter. They're killing the sport slowly...
I don't know exactly but quite a lot can be done. I think this engine 'problem' is a bit exaggerated.
It's going to be funny the last 3 races when literally every team is on their 9th and 10th + engine, as by then the penalty will be completely moot as literally every team is on a new engine.
it can be done for the next race but poor massa didnt have time to fiddle and fit an older unit into the car
You can't do anything... 10mm is probably enough to get a scope in the cylinder to inspect the combustion chamber. After consultation with the relevant engine supplier the FIA will attach seals to each engine prior to it being used for the first time at an Event in order to ensure that no significant moving parts can be rebuilt or replaced. Within two hours of the end of the post race parc ferme exhaust blanking plates (with one 10mm diameter inspection hole per cylinder) and further seals will be applied to all used engines in order to ensure that these engines cannot be run between Events. Upon request to the FIA these additional seals will be removed after the start of initial scrutineering at the next Event at which the engines are required. All such engines must remain within the team's designated garage area when not fitted to a car and may not be started at any time during an Event other than when fitted to a car eligible to participate in the Event. d) If any of the FIA seals are damaged or removed from an engine after it has been used for the first time that engine may not be used again unless they were removed under FIA supervision
Okay the block and internals themselves can't be touched but all the auxilary parts can be replaced IIRC. I'd think an engine should last a bit longer than one or two races and that things that go wrong are mainly in the parts outside of the block (exhausts, electronics, don't know about valvetrain though).
Knowing they only have 8 engines with 18+ races, I guess smart designers/engineers would design each to last at least 3 races+ Spend money to build longer lasting engine or spend money to build more engines. In the end Im betting the cost factor is the same. Ridiculous rules and management in F1 are degrading the sport as Brian(Remy Zero) stated earlier.
The same engine BS is going on in MotoGP, except they are actually giving allowances to one mfr for 2 extra engines because otherwise, that mfr will pack up and leave and the FIM/Dorna can't lose anymore competitors. Engine rules limiting the number of units and work on them in the premier classes is a joke, IMO. Calling it cost control makes it so much more of a joke.
You know, between 1999-2006, i've only missed one live race, the 2006 French GP. No matter what, I'll always be there to watch races. This year alone, i think i missed half easily. The sport is such a turn off, and nothing but a parade, with silly rules always changing. Back in 1998-1999, Mclaren used over 200 engines per season. They had separate engines for quali and raceday. Drivers pushed till the limit. They can make whatever tyre decision they want to. The engines were V10 and revved at 19000 rpm. Lots of overtaking. That was the F1 i was dying to watch every week...
I'm sorry, but you've got your (very!) rose-tinted's on IMO...... Sure, we *remember* it that way, but there were still extensive complaints that F1 lacked overtaking (and would soon be surpassed, worldwide, by the taxicab racers!.....) "The more things change, the more they stay the same...." Cheers, Ian
No Ian. I'm actually comparing the late 90s and early 2000s. I think overtaking died somewhere in 2005.
We beg to differ. [Which is fine of course ] I was working (for Surtees) in F1 back in '78, and it was a common complaint back then; "They're too aerodynamically sensitive" "It's impossible to follow closely enough to make a move" "You've gotta be ~2 seconds quicker to be able to overtake" "People want Nascar!" [So much for that one ] Sound familiar? Cheers, Ian
If you're starting from the back of the pack you take a new (9th) engine as the 10 spot penalty is moot.....
I don´t think he´s out of engines. It´s probably out of new engines which means he could have 1 or 2 that haven´t been driven much. I don´t think you should worry about that. Red Bull are startin to feel the pressure and so does Vettel and Webber. And i think that will give them problems and when problems occur at Red Bull, Alonso is there cleaning up the mess. Alonso for WDC! Long time since i´ve seen a man in F1 so focused and driving so perfect like he does. I honestly feel the guy is a better driver than Schumacher. But the greatest in my book which is right up there with Senna is Hamilton.
