Countach, the ultimate supercar

Interesting.

Could you post some pictures to illustrate what you say? Thanks!

 

I will look for all my data (CAD drawings from measurements) and post soon. Even the doors on the S1/S2 are much different than the S3 and later models.

Brian

 

Those are not original application.

I meant 40mm Webers on the S3 cars.

 

Will someone PLEASE take a door off an S1 and put it on an S3.....or vice versa??????

 

Or use a protractor on both.

 

Chad,
I respect your stance and experience but I have measured both very closely and they are certainly different....no doubt about it. The body was changed.

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There are a set of measurements in this thread, a couple hundred pages back probably. I'll have a look for them.

 

If as you and others have said, the body was changed, the how do you and others account for the fact that the windshield from a LP400 will fit a 1989 25th Anv car. Also the rocker panel from a LP400S will fit an 88 car. The door glass is also the same.
Logic would dictate that if you change the body, like in height then you must change the windshield, which was never done.

Explain to me how you can use the glass from early, what everybody likes to call, lowbody cars, will fit an 89 Anv 25th car.
Everybody can talk low body all they want, but when they have to order a body part or a glass, the part numbers are the same for all the cars, with the exception of the LP400 car.
Chadbourn Bolles



I respect your stance and experience but I have measured both very closely and they are certainly different....no doubt about it. The body was changed.

Brian[/QUOTE]

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The difference then could only be in the door panel size, if it exists. Which would mean that the front fenders & quarters are different as well. Ask any old hot rod guy, you simply can not chop the top without modifying the glass, ie cutting area out of the sides and top of the glass. Try it with a plastic model car if you don't believe this.

 

Also to add to my post, the Door glasses for the LP400 fit the 25th Anv car. The rear glass, behind your head is also the same, the 1/4 door glass is also the same as is the 1/4 glass to the left of your head, all the same.
Now tell me how you could have raised the roof or made any major body modifications and still use the same glass, NOT, won't happen.

People can talk measurements all they want, but if the glass is the same then the rest is the same..
Also, as was pointed out to me at one time, had Lamborghini made modification like that, they would have had to submit the car to new crash tests, which were never done.

Low body vs hi body cars, is kinda like saying my pecker is bigger than yours, so you can brag, but it ain't true.
Like I said on another post, my 87 Countach sits just 4 inches off the floor, the EXACT same ride height as the LP400 car.
The cars gained HI body status when Lamborghini changed the spring seat mounting point on the front shock and when they went to the 225 x 50 x 15 front tyre.. You take a HI body Countach and place spring mounting seat in the low position and install 205 x 50 x 15 front tyres and see how low your car will sit. Lamborghini did this because so many people were complaining about the front bumper hitting the ground, so they just raised the front end. no big deal.
Now as to interior head room, I think that Lamborghini lowered the seat tracks, something that would be easy to do.
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The difference then could only be in the door panel size, if it exists. Which would mean that the front fenders & quarters are different as well. Ask any old hot rod guy, you simply can not chop the top without modifying the glass, ie cutting area out of the sides and top of the glass. Try it with a plastic model car if you don't believe this.[/QUOTE]

 

If the roof panel is slightly smaller, for example, 0ne inch from front to back and one inch side to side. Then just the angle of the windshield and door frames would have to be tilted?

No, wait, now I'm thinking rear quarters and rear window height would have to be lower too hmmmmmmmm

 

The height stretch occurs in the body side panels. Not in the roof, not in the windows. It seems obvious when you see an S1 and S3 parked side by side or even nose to tail.

Paul

 

I seem to remember:

Different door size by 2" length wise
Different lower rocker by 1.5"
Lower rocker to roof 2.5"

I think this was Tony comparing his 1979 S1 with a 1986 QV DD...
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The LP400 car uses different body side panels than the LP400S and later cars which ALL USED the SAME body panels
You can take a 1/4 panel from a LP400S and install it right on everything up to the 25th BUT not the 25th car.
Front fenders are also the same, until you get to the 25th car.
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The height stretch occurs in the body side panels. Not in the roof, not in the windows, and not in the rockers. It seems obvious when you see an S1 and S3 parked side by side or even nose to tail.

Paul[/QUOTE]

 

Very interesting this low vs high body chat, i heard from a multiple LP400 owner that as Chad says thats no difference between thoose two. But as ApexOversteer mentioned there is an set of measurements in this thread, cant find them though. And as Peter said, put an S1 door on a S3 and we will see.

 

Hi
Just my view. Last time there was a big debate on here about low body etc I measured my car and posted. Didn't seem different to other cars.
What is the obsession with Low body/high body? Just to prove you have a better or rarer CT than other owners?
With the greatest of respect this seems kinda anal. WTF has this got to do with driving and enjoying your cars as they were intended? IE to be driven!
I honestly don't think this aspect of the thread gives credit to owners. Just imagine. You love CT's and visit this thread at this point. What would your reaction be?
If it is that important rather than people bandying opinions why doesnt someone obsessed b this get a standard 'lowbody and high body' and go through all the parts manuals and use proper measuring equipment and post the results in detail and in a proper scientific way.
Sorry for the rant and no doubt offending everyone, but i don't think this gives us credit
Paul
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"Just to prove you have a better or rarer CT than other owners?"

uhhhhhhyyyyeah.

 

I found these pictures and dimensions posted a little more than 3 years ago.

Pictures posted by de993

"pics of measurements 1979 series 1 lowbody"
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Im honestly surprised this is being debated. When seeing the side profile of a high body vs a low body it seems clear as day to me the differences. I prefer the look of the lowbodies like the silver one that was in the show earlier we were talking about.

 

The lowbody cars are the way the Countach is supposed to look when bespatted, and they do look different from the later cars. Not everyone can see it, but IMO once you do, the lowbody cars look much better. There are few angles from which they are nearly indistinguishable, front and rear straight on, and a vertical elevation on the roof. Otherwise, the lowbody car displays leaner, shallower and in the correct proportion.

The tweaks of the highbody cars, which are there and cannot be denied, creates a thicker middle, most evident in the cross section between the leading tip of the NACA duct in the door and the rear of the radiator duct on the car's shoulder. This is where it shows up visually, not necessarily where the physical changes actually are. All of this serves to give the perspective of a shorter (in length) package, and then plumps it overall.

These differences are subtle, as I said not everyone can see it, but it is there. Some people aren't bothered by this, and for some, later engines and body details take precedent. I myself hold the QV DD (Black/Black) to be second only to a Moody winged, S1 lowbody (Blue Tahiti over Senape, please) on my personal desirability scale.

To make the comment that any owner chooses his car with the express intent of rubbing it in the face of another owner is ridiculous. But you are right on one point... lowbodys are better.

 

Thanks Tim. Case closed.

 

Paul: with all due respect I have seen you extol the virtues of your own QV DD. Did I think you did so because you were trying to say your variant was better than other CT variants? No. I just thought you were sharing like any enthusiast would.

 

THANK YOU. I was working backwards towards there, would have taken me a couple more hours!

 

Having the 1980 (low body) next to the DD, and getting in and out of them I would say it is pretty clear there is a difference. It is raining here today, but before the low body leaves for Switzerland I will get some pics of the DD with it.

 

not sure if this helps, here they are on there own.
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