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Countach, the ultimate supercar

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  1. paul328

    paul328 Formula Junior

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    Joe
    I obviously take your point. Many of my comments are tongue in cheek but perhaps don't translate well. My point was principally that the nature of this point wasnt being communicated in a way that gives this thread credit.
    We now have a 'measured view' and perhaps that will settle it for good!
    Regards
    Paul
     
  2. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Paul: fair comments. But always remember, enthusiasts love to debate the smallest details, for example the differences in the larger wheel portholes of Campagnolo wheels shod on S2 cars, and the smaller ones of those shod on your QV DD. As the saying goes, its all in the details, and people who say there are no differences in body from an S1 car to a QV are simply ignorant of the facts. This is the right place to set those misconceptions right, and I believe someone stumbling across this thread for the first time simply ought to think: "wow, some of these guys know their cars!"
     
  3. Tony Ierardi

    Tony Ierardi Formula Junior

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    Good memory Joe.

    A number of years ago (before I was in the business) I sold my 86' DD to my friend John, a few months later I bought my first 79' S1.

    We then spent about 2 hours on the phone going over the cars.

    We took all the measurements and proved there was a difference.

    That information was brought to this forum purely for information purposes not to make anyone feel less about their car.

    There are 4 Countach in my shop right now:

    2 early "lowbody" both LP400S2 cars

    2 later 5000 body cars a LP400S3 and a DD QV.

    I have measured more than 20 Countach between my shop and car shows, it was not just a fluke difference between 2 or 3 hand made cars.
     
  4. SAB

    SAB Formula Junior

    May 12, 2010
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    I must admit, I've never heard to these cars being referred to as low body or high body ever before. Is this peculiar to America? Never heard of it being mentioned in any UK magazine that I can recall, and the Countach featured in a lot of magazines.
     
  5. Tony Ierardi

    Tony Ierardi Formula Junior

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    #7455 Tony Ierardi, Sep 28, 2010
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  6. deon.smith

    deon.smith Formula Junior

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    Countach gurus: I am new to Countach ownership and have a question and will probably have a lot more.

    I have searched high and low and get conflicting answers.

    I have a 1984 5000s. It has sidedraught Webers on it. Are these 40 or 45?.

    Thanks much.
     
  7. Tony Ierardi

    Tony Ierardi Formula Junior

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    If factory original they should be 45.
     
  8. ApexOversteer

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    Sh*t, now I've got door envy.
     
  9. Tony Ierardi

    Tony Ierardi Formula Junior

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    Funny you say that, it's the "Lowbody" that has the 2+ inch longer doors :)
     
  10. socallambo

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    You are correct, these terms have only been used by a few people on here that choose to disect particular models. I also have never heard of this before, and nor do I recall Lamborghini ever referencing such cars as a series 1, 2, or 3.
     
  11. Peter K.

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    Look of Shock.....can not find an emoticon.......

    Is this surprising? Chad was adamant.
    Because I'm surprised...... but not so that there is a difference, it is surprising by how much. Those are big differences.
     
  12. ApexOversteer

    ApexOversteer F1 Veteran

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    Now I'm wondering about other measurements...

    Floor to headliner

    Interior sill height from floor and distance from headliner

    Center Tunnel height from floor and distance to headliner

    Has the dash moved in relation to floor and headliner
     
  13. I'm more curious, what is the top of the body to the bottom of the body (not counting the suspension), that's the number that will show how big (or small) the difference is.
     
  14. 2NA

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    Chad also mentioned that the periscope channel was removed to improve headroom. It's in the middle of the car above the console (not likely to hit your head there). ;)
     
  15. flxzcat

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    Jeez, 45 post today and still going. Is that a one day record?

    Paul
     
  16. 2NA

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    What he said.

    On a 24 year old car anything is possible though. In the "big picture" not that much difference between them.
     
  17. Countachqv

    Countachqv Formula 3

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    Peter. This s all intriguing. when you get your ar back let do a measurement gathering side by side, ok? It definitely suck that you have 2" I don't have on my doors.

    I am serious.
     
  18. Tony Ierardi

    Tony Ierardi Formula Junior

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    Peter,

    For those who are finding out for the first time it can be surprising.

    I noticed the differences and made the measurements years ago.

    To others,

    The Factory made changes along the way, fun things for us to discover now.

    The 3 series of LP400S were decided by club members to distinguish them

    The "Lowbody" term is an affectionate slang made up by club members.
     
  19. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    In light of your astute and most diligent observation, I move to have Chad's case dismissed.
     
  20. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    It is fairly common in the automotive world for classic cars to gain monikers that describe them amongst enthusiasts long after production ended.

    LP400 - "Periscopa"
    LP400S S1 & S2 - "Low-body"

    In fact although you have never heard this before, for the past decade when dealing with both enthusiasts and owners alike, the aforementioned cars are almost exclusively referred to by their monikers. So I guess its here to stay for many.

    The S1, S2, & S3 thing is simply an enthusiasts specifying description. We have seen this with other Lamborghini models, and in fact with other makes. The original manufacturer need not have had anything to do with this, but, again, its here to stay for many.
     
  21. kiesan

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    #7471 kiesan, Sep 28, 2010
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    Bryan, NSXER, I am so sorry! It appears that I have misrepresented 1121252 to you as one of those mythical LP400S2 "low" bodies. I know because some guy named Chad told me on the internet.

    Anyway, please prepare the car for me and I shall collect it from you right away. Of course you are entitled to a full refund and 15% inconvenience fee.

    Please? :)
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  22. hyenahf

    hyenahf F1 Rookie

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    another +1
     
  23. EMILIO

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    they are different

    and without a single doubt the low body cars looks better, the hi body cars i can actually fit in
     
  24. Jota 5084

    Jota 5084 Formula 3

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    Ok, Case Closed :)
     
  25. Tony Ierardi

    Tony Ierardi Formula Junior

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    This morning I measured between a LP400 S2, S3 & 5000QV all here in my shop.

    The measurement was taken from the top of the ashtray to the bottom of the roof frame as well as from the center console behind the ashtray to the roof just behind the frame. The difference… right at 2” taller on the S3 & QV compared to the S2.
     

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