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0933 filling the gaps

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  1. elmotorizado

    elmotorizado Formula Junior

    Mar 14, 2009
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    Can someone bring details about the impounding by french customs and who the owner was at the time?
    There are races not shown in Barchetta while in Venezuela in 58 59 and 60, in venezuelan records Fayen never owned the car.
    Would be nice to have the owner participating if in the forum.
    branko
     
  2. elmotorizado

    elmotorizado Formula Junior

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    #2 elmotorizado, Sep 29, 2010
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    This is the first race in Venezuela for 0933 with number 815 and Miro Toselli, acording to some sources the car stayed in Venezuela in the hands of Mauricio Marcotulli, other sources say the car went back to Italy and was imported by Automoviles Kauffmann and sold to Marcotulli.
    branko
    This are the 4th venezuelan GP results held between Palmarejo and Caracas November 24 1958
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  3. elmotorizado

    elmotorizado Formula Junior

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    #3 elmotorizado, Sep 29, 2010
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    Race from Caracas to Cumana and from Cumana to Caracas held on January 24 and 25, Marcotulli arrived 2nd, there are more pictures on this race.
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  4. Sire Bruno de Losckley

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    che cosa e questo Premio Oriante del 1959
     
  5. elmotorizado

    elmotorizado Formula Junior

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  7. elmotorizado

    elmotorizado Formula Junior

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    branko
  8. elmotorizado

    elmotorizado Formula Junior

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    branko
    #8 elmotorizado, Oct 1, 2010
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  9. Athanase

    Athanase Formula Junior

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    I have 9 august 1959 for Maracay Cumanà Margarita.
    Fantastic pics !
     
  10. elmotorizado

    elmotorizado Formula Junior

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    Thanks a lot, now I know for what dates to look when I go to the newspaper library. may I ask where you got that date, I wanted to keep a secuence and this is the one I found on Marcotulli's manuscript.
    branko
     
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  12. Athanase

    Athanase Formula Junior

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    I have found the date in the list of results of Ferrari yearbook 1959.
     
  13. elmotorizado

    elmotorizado Formula Junior

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    Would you please re-check the link I mentioned, I did and there is the serial number.
    branko
     
  14. elmotorizado

    elmotorizado Formula Junior

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    Thanks again, lets see if the information in the yearbook matches the rest of the races.
    branko
     
  15. tongascrew

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    Interesting this car is listed as 0619. It was renumbered to 0805 before being sent to Venezuela. Noblet traded in his 0619 for a new TDF 0805 which was then renumbered to 0619 to avoid new car taxes. The original 0619 was the renumbered to 0805 befor being sent to Kaufman for sale in Venezuela. The paperwork may have still listed the car as 0619 so the car could be imported as a used, second hand car. just one man's opinion tongascrew
     
  16. elmotorizado

    elmotorizado Formula Junior

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    #16 elmotorizado, Oct 6, 2010
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    Sometimes things tend to get a little confused, that is why I made this little chart with all the information that I have today, if I get more at the library it will get updated, below you will find the links to take you to the rest of the info we have and more pictures, hope you enjoy.
    branko
    Races held in Venezuela and venezuelans abroad with TdF 250 Serial 0933
    IV GP http://server4.foros.net/viewtopic.php?t=263&mforum=muchasrpms
    CARACAS CUMANA http://server4.foros.net/viewtopic.php?t=250&mforum=muchasrpms
    CARACAS
    CABIMAS http://server4.foros.net/viewtopic.php?t=443&mforum=muchasrpms
    MARACAY CUMANA http://server4.foros.net/viewtopic.php?t=372&mforum=muchasrpms
    MARGARITA
    MARACAIBO http://server4.foros.net/viewtopic.php?t=328&mforum=muchasrpms
    CIUDAD OJEDA http://server4.foros.net/viewtopic.php?t=387&mforum=muchasrpms
    1000 KMS BUENOS http://wsrp.ic.cz/wsc1960.html#1
    AIRES
    CARACAS BOGOTÁ http://server4.foros.net/viewtopic.php?t=384&mforum=muchasrpms
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  17. elmotorizado

    elmotorizado Formula Junior

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    After more than 2 months and no answer, lets bring this post up again and see if we find something.
    branko
     
  18. elmotorizado

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    #18 elmotorizado, Feb 21, 2011
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    The last investigation unveiled what I suspected for a long time, this car did not participate al la Lotteria di Monza of 1959 like many records show, this car was never owned by Lino Fayen and the story of the French Customs seizure has not been documented to my knowledge.
    I think a have documented all its partcipations in Venezuela but one in 1960.
    This picture is in Valencia I believe, but no records of this race, at the wheel probably Silvano Turco or Ugo Tossa.
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  19. elmotorizado

    elmotorizado Formula Junior

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    #19 elmotorizado, Jun 8, 2011
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    Picture at Varona's shop, the golden TdF 0933 and the white 1037, in the far corner TR 500 0618.
    branko
    PS does anyone have any info of the seizure of this car by french customs?
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  20. elmotorizado

    elmotorizado Formula Junior

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    #20 elmotorizado, Jun 9, 2011
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    I made this new list with the links because the forum was moved to a new site.
    I also corrected the chart because it was proved that this car didn't race La Loteria di Monza in 1959.
    Races held in Venezuela and venezuelans aboard with TdF 250 Serial 0933.
    branko
    IV GP http://www.pasionalavelocidad.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=263
    CARACAS CUMANA CARACAS http://www.pasionalavelocidad.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=250
    CABIMAS http://www.pasionalavelocidad.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=443
    MARACAY CUMANA MARGARITA http://www.pasionalavelocidad.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=372
    MARACAIBO http://www.pasionalavelocidad.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=328
    CIUDAD OJEDA http://www.pasionalavelocidad.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=387
    1000 KMS BUENOS http://wsrp.ic.cz/wsc1960.html#1
    AIRES
    CARACAS BOGOTÁ http://www.pasionalavelocidad.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=384
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