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  1. joe sackey

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    yep that is Jack. i purchsed his renault r5 turbo 2 from him, what a great all around guy!!
     
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    One of my doctor friends asked me to take the intended of one of his sisters in his ICU to the wedding today. Didn't know the boy nor did he know I was coming.
    Just great to see the reaction of a petrolhead to seeing his first CT and going for a run in it. Weather and traffic were poor so couldnt extend her much, even with being below 4000rpm he was saying it made the hairs on his neck stand up!
    Parked outside my friends house as he made me a nice sea bass lunch as a thank you. Is a blocked off side street off a main road. Several people made a big detour to come and see the car. Brings it back that we are entrusted with an icon for the next generation!
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    #7580 Chadbourn Bolles, Oct 2, 2010
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    Emilio, first picture is of 87 QV with front shock spring seat in the lower position and 205 front tyre size.

    Picture number two (2) is of 1982 car with front shock spring seat in the upper position.

    So like I said you want a low body 87 car, just change tyre and and spring seat position.
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    i am waiting for side by side pic of your S2 and S3 toegther :)[/QUOTE]
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  6. ApexOversteer

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    Lower the front end all you want, won't make an '82 or later Countach a lowbody.
     
  7. joe sackey

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    Chad:

    I know you have all good intentions and I consider you a good enthusiast of these cars, but you are completely missing the point, all the while pointing out the obvious. Yes, everybody knows you can create a Low-body out of any type car by putting on shorter springs... a demonstration is hardly necessary to make that point.

    The real point is, that the Lamborghini factory built a Series of LP400S S1 & S2 cars that came with slimmer bodies in the cockpit area relative to the LP400S S3, LP500S, and LP5000QV cars etc. The point is being made by a group of closely observant enthusiasts (this is what enthusiasts do - observe closely) that these S1 & S2 cars which they have referred to as "Low-body" Countachs were built by the factory with slightly different/smaller/lower dimensions. Given that the Lamborghini factory both then & now is notorious for putting out erroneous information about their own cars, some of the aforementioned enthusiasts have decided to actually take the time to measure various examples to prove to themselves and the world at large that their eyes are not deceiving them. As the saying goes: "Who am I gonna believe, you or my own eyes?"

    Reviewing the pages of this thread, I can easily conclude that multiple parties using multiple examples of factory-built cars at multiple locations have proven beyond any reasonable doubt that their suspicions were correct: S1 & S2 cars have slimmer bodies. Not saying this is a good thing for the tall among us, but it is fact. Period. The ability to discuss these issues and form conclusions is why this thread exists. I learned a long time ago that is no use being a doubting-thomas when the evidence is staring at you point-blank, especially if it is irrefutable physical evidence rather than some-one's opinion, or even a document that may not be authentic. These cars speak to us...

    Meanwhile keep up the good work and we appreciate your enthusiasm.
     
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    Joe, the information I have from a factory source is this: ALL THE BODY PANELS ARE THE SAME. Starting with the LP400S cars.
    All the factory did was change the dimensions of the rocker panel THAT WAS it period. This information I got right from the factory.
    They say ALL the glass is the same also.

    The main thing here is MONEY, if the car is what you want to call a low body then the seller can ask more money. If I get the information I am seeking that shows there is really no such thing as a low body then all those cars are not going to worth what people are asking.

    Now if my factory contact tells me that in fact the factory did make a car like that, I will make a very large public apology on this and every board.
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    The real point is, that the Lamborghini factory built a Series of LP400S S1 & S2 cars that came with slimmer bodies in the cockpit area relative to the LP400S S3, LP500S, and LP5000QV cars etc. The point is being made by a group of closely observant enthusiasts (this is what enthusiasts do - observe closely) that these S1 & S2 cars which they have referred to as "Low-body" Countachs were built by the factory with slightly different/smaller/lower dimensions. Given that the Lamborghini factory both then & now is notorious for putting out erroneous information about their own cars, some of the aforementioned enthusiasts have decided to actually take the time to measure various examples to prove to themselves and the world at large that their eyes are not deceiving them. As the saying goes: "Who am I gonna believe, you or my own eyes?"

    Reviewing the pages of this thread, I can easily conclude that multiple parties using multiple examples of factory-built cars at multiple locations have proven beyond any reasonable doubt that their suspicions were correct: S1 & S2 cars have slimmer bodies. Not saying this is a good thing for the tall among us, but it is fact. Period. The ability to discuss these issues and form conclusions is why this thread exists. I learned a long time ago that is no use being a doubting-thomas when the evidence is staring at you point-blank, especially if it is irrefutable physical evidence rather than some-one's opinion, or even a document that may not be authentic. These cars speak to us...

    Meanwhile keep up the good work and we appreciate your enthusiasm.[/QUOTE]
     
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    Explain why the 1980 car Tony measured has doors TWO INCHES LONGER ALONG THE BOTTOM from the S3 car he measured?

    Your story keeps changing Chad. First it was some parts website, then it was part numbers, now you have a "factory contact". I smell bovine feces.

    Your "factory contact" either hasn't got a clue or is messing with you... if they exist at all.
     
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    Joe, could the factory, which doesn't seem to care about the older cars for any other reason, have some desire to deny the changes that were made?

    Perhaps they'd rather not reveal the shenanigans they might have pulled to sneak the changes past the various certification bodies around the world?

    They were in dire straits financially at the time, and recertification would have been expensive. So, make the changes, pretend the cars are the same and deny, deny, deny...
     
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    In my dealings with the factory for cars of that era, you will be surprised how much erroneous information I have received, either because the givers of that information (factory representatives no less) either forget the correct information, didn't know, or didn't care.
     
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    Chad, youre flogging a dead horse (bull, in this case). Sorry but it has been PROVEN that your factory source is wrong.

    And yes, I have seen some of the most 'renowned' or 'esteemed' factory sources (I wont mention any names here) give erroneous info regarding the older classic cars.

    Unfortunately you are not providing any physical evidence to back up your claims other than third party assurances. The saying "Methinks Thou Doth Protest Too Much" comes to mind..
     
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    The "factory contact" could be telling the truth (but I wouldn't count on it being the last word).

    The body panels on a Countach aren't exactly a "front clip" for a Camaro. They're hand-made, one at a time and need a lot of fitting and welding. It is possible that regardless which Countach you need a body part for, the Factory sends you the same "one size, fits none" piece that needs trimming and a little work on an English Wheel before it's just right. That the parts manual only lists one part number isn't surprising. Given the production methods employed at the time, even specific panels for specific models are only approximately the same.
     
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    Chad, alot of what you say makes total sense, why would Lamborghini, a company that was near bankruptcy, decide to start making different body panels for the Countach and redesign and modify the car when they had no money. Based on customers complaints that it was tearing up the front ends of the cars becasue they were so low, it would seem like the easier and cheaper thing to do would be to just raise the front suspension setting of the car. These cars are all hand made cars, and of course not every panel is going to measure the same. Look forward to what your official Lamborghini contact has to say. Thanks and keep up the good work.
     
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    LMAO!!

    Give us all a break!
     
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    Dude, you got something on your nose...
     
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    how is it that I fit in my car (my1988) and my friends 88 and my other friends
    88.5 plus Anniversary cars but not the Cannonball car? I've never measured with a tape, but i just don't fit (height wise) in the earlier cars....i am comfortable in my own car,
    but not fitting so well here...
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  21. ApexOversteer

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    or these ones...

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=139935833&postcount=7455

    ...or these ones...

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=139935455&postcount=7443

    ... which go with these measurements...

     
  22. joe sackey

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    What "customer complaints" have you seen from LP400S owners circa 1978 -1981 stating that the car was too low? Perhaps you missed the genuine ones from Messrs Johl, Bobnar et al stating that the cockpit hadn't enough headroom?

    Clearly you have nothing in the form of documentation or physical evidence of any kind to back up your misguided theories, and yet you are on here speculating away out of thin air on everything from the reason why the cars have certain monikers, to the basis of their physical configuration.

    To try and have us believe that body panels on cars of the same measurement will show variances as large as those recorded tells us all that your specialty is fast becoming hot air on this thread.

    What "would seem like the easier & cheaper thing to do" has zero bearing on what happened in reality, and in fact this has been proven with Lamborghini's history time & time again: elementary logic need not apply when establishing why Lamborghini did certain things. Please spare us the random speculation and the erroneous notions. A contribution here pertaining to Countachs that has some basis-in-fact, or an accurate observation that can be of some benefit to enthusiasts would be refreshing.
     
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    what does LMAO stand for?

    Lamborghini makes appalling omissions?

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  25. Lamborghini did things on a whim, that is how the whole company got started in the first place. Part numbers with this boutique car company should not come as a surprise. This is really good info for someone restoring a car, both early and late. Imagine shelling out the money for a door, quarter panel and then trying to use it for the wrong series.
     

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