Hamiltonians ON FChat **SPOILER**

You mean practice right?

 

He does have a gunslinger's mentality, so he's more likely to try to pass for the win than win a war of attrition. It's much riskier and shows a lack of patience, but how often do we complain about seeing a driver win the title versus not lose it. Honestly, Alonso has done more to win the title than Webber of late, and I really wouldn't consider any of the top 3-4 drivers out of the championship drive. One dnf by Webber can change things significantly.

Ergo, it's probably too soon yet for the "I told you so" posts, but your prognostication for failure by Hamilton is being justified thus far. (also, I don't buy into the "distracted" argument. He very simply has tried to force his way up the grid and gotten the worse of it).

Let's see how the season plays out before trying to force the "Hamiltonions" to eat crow.

 

You may not like the guy (Hamilton), but you have to respect his speed and his talent.

I believe sometimes he tries to channel his idol Senna too much...

If you remember Senna was EXTREMELY agressive and if he saw a millimeter of room, he would charge into the pass attempt... it hurt him in 88 in Italy and numerous times in 89. He finally settled down and realized that sometimes you have to think of the big picture (the year long fight for the WDC) and settle for what the car will give you and finish the races and rack up points rather than crash out and come away with nothing... Senna would never have won the championship in 91 vs the faster Williams without the painful experiences he learned from in 88 and 89.

When you see it from that viewpoint, it is much more understandable.

Frank

 

I'm not even sure what that is supposed to mean. Seems crass to me, when did anyone mention their deaths in racing accidents?

You always have very credible insight that I enjoy to read and get to understand your point of view, this thread doesn't seem to have these qualities.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something

 

I believe we are crossing wires here...

My point is that Hamilton still has some maturing to do as far as reigning in his natural aggresiveness to achieve greater success.

There are certain drivers that should not be passed in certain circumstances... you have to know the track, AND you have to know your opponents as well... some you can pass easily, others you have to be more careful with...

He has made track errors and passing errors that have cost him many valuable points not only this year, but in years past.

Hamilton needs to eliminate errors in judgment if he is to attain the level of success his talent is capable of...

Frank

 

Not entirely fair IMO. Since the FIA cracked down a bit on the flexy wings, Red Bull suffered a little (not a lot but they didn't seem to have the pace of before in the last few GP's). In Singapore he drove a fantastic race after fighting his way from 11th to 3rd...

Alonso hasn't been slouching either, if he hadn't made as many unforced errors during the season he'd quite easily be leading by now...

 

Hmpf, I already got excited and thought you were talking about this Hamiltonian
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Same goes for Vettel and Hamilton. Webber did make a bunch of mistakes too, but he was so clever to only crash when the race was over for him anyway

 

If either Mclaren drivers wins the WDC, i certainly hope it'll be Button.

 

You have nothing better to do than to [incorrectly] bash Hamilton? Why not start a thread about a driver you like, instead?

 

good post. gotta laugh at all the hamilton haters, because that's just what they are. he's made mistakes, so have other driver's this year. last races debacle with webber is still debatable who was at fault. webber definitely looked like he was cutting over the curb to gain an advantage before the two hit each other.

 

You're probably right. It's not like Vettel crashed out Webber or anything. Ferrari and Alonso have been perfect, which is why he's leading the championship race.

Let's see how things play out before asking anyone to eat crow. I think Hamilton is similar to the likes of Senna and Villenueve and I like those types of drivers. That said, he does need to calm down a bit and not throw away chances.

 

I have a hard time seeing a 3rd place qualify behind the two hands-down superior red bulls as a "self destruct[ion]."

 

I think you'll find this post was made before qualifying actually happened.

 

No, the post you quoted was made today, after qualifying

 

Whoa now, his criticisms are not off base. Hamilton's idiocy at Monza coupled with Singapore (racing incident I know but he could have waited for a better opportunity since his tires were WAY fresher than Mark's) and now the Suzuka crash that cost him valuable track time. 3 title crippling incidents in 3 races. I would call that self destruction.

 

True, but I never said anything wrong about hamilton and how he got 3rd in qualifying sunday morning . In fact, I'm quite sure I praised him for it .

What I meant was that the OP couldn't be aware that Hamilton got 3rd place in quali despite his crash, because quali hadn't happened at the time of posting

 

I didn't read RP's original post as Hamilton bashing or in attempt to have others eat crow. What I read was that he predicted the self destructive tendencies of LH despite others who didn't agree.

In any case, it sure seems to me that coming into the last 6-7 races LH was in a strong position to challenge for the WDC, and McLaren was looking very strong for the WCC. Whatever we think of LH's skill (I continually marvel at his car control at the limits, and think if he continues, even w/o subsequent championships will go down as one of the all time greats), it is hard to argue that his decision making has cost him the WDC this year. LH is not out mathmatically, but to call him a longshot given his recent tendencies and the position of his rivals is an understatement.

For my money, LH makes F1 racing much better and more interesting to watch. Love him or hate him, the man sells tickets. I just hope he survives (and others around him) his agressive driving style. Even with the amazing safety of these cars today, there is no doubt in my mind that these boys are still in a very deadly business.

 

Monza-would have been silly in 2007, but given his experience completely moronic.
Singapore-should have realized whom he was trying to pass. DUH! Maybe against someone else it would have worked.
Suzuka-if he had 5 days of track time he wouldn't have caught the Bulls.

Don't count out any of the top 5 just yet, including Hammy....one DNF by Webber and its blown wide open...

 

Not a bad post, however it is a thread about one blowing ones own trumpet, not that hard to predict, Lewis is value for money and makes F1 better to watch whether you like him or not.
To predict a driver like Hamilton is going to go balls out or bust, because he is behind is not rocket science, its the nature of the beast in him and great to watch.

When racing, hero or zero makes no odds to me at least he always tries, and I admire that.

He really is up against the odds now though, so I expect more.

 

There is a fine line between luck and skill.

Webber and Hamilton came together and Hamilton DNF'ed and Webber continued. Webber and Vettel came together and Vettel DNF'ed and Webber continued.

Had both of those gone the other way, we would be saying Webber was an over-aggressive idiot who tossed away a WDC.

As with anything, if you take a chance and you win, you're a hero. If you lose, the Internet experts all know you made a mistake to even take the chance and of course they would never have made that mistake