UPS 747 down in Dubai

There was a report of smoke and fire after takeoff both crew members killed

http://www.emirates247.com/news/emirates/boeing-747-cargo-plane-crash-in-dubai-kills-crew-2010-09-03-1.287091

 

I feel like I have had a tremendous punch to the gut, God bless the two crewmembers that died, and their families. They were both fine men and will be terribly missed by those that knew them....

 

Any word on what happened yet?

 

sounds like the pilots had there hands full trying to return to the airport and land.

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=4307772e&opt=0

 

sorry to hear.

 

wonder if it was avoidable ... since the report says a fire in the cockpit ...

 

It's almost always "avoidable." Unfortunately, most rules/regs/safety systems come about because of loss of life....

That being said, nothing official has been released at this point as far as the cause, but preliminary info indicates a main cargo deck fire...The story in the Aviation Herald was also incorrect in stating that this happened while taking off....I don't want to say any more until there are verified facts, rumors don't do any good...

 

Bringing in the cause as something in the main cargo deck makes more sense to me than a runaway fire in or ahead of the cockpit. I can't think of anything up there to do that much in such a short time.
Switches

 

very sad. RIP

 

This brings back memories of the Value Jet incident. Oxy generators,etc.
Switches

 

Sounds like very, very bad smoke in the cockpit.

 

FAA issues safety alert on shipping lithium batteries, claiming that fire suppression systems are incapable of handling them in emergencies

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704657304575540264142599350.html

 

wow, i was speaking with a NTSB / FAA consultant yesterday, and this very thing came up.

Better buy those phone batteries, prices are sure to go up from hype and wait time if they regulate shipments of these things.

wonder why they dont just pack them differently?

Is Bruce still on here and in the battery business?

i went ahead and ordered another battery kit for my Galaxy S .

 

FAA testing has shown that encased or enclosed lithium metal batteries may pose a safety risk. Two types of robust, readily available containers were tested at the FAA Tech Center: five gallon steel pails with crimp on gasketed lids, and 30 gallon steel drums with bolt closed ring seals and gasketed metal lids. For both types of container, as few as six loose CR2 lithium metal cells were sufficient to cause failure when induced into thermal runaway by an electric cartridge heater. The confined electrolyte and the molten lithium ignition source formed an explosive condition, forcefully separating the lid from the container. The explosive force in this test was likely high enough to cause physical damage to an aircraft’s Class C cargo compartment.

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I wonder what this is going to do to carryon laptops also?
View attachment SAFO10017.pdf

 

so... is it being said that batterys were the cause of the fire?

 

Here is a an FAA video on how to deal with a laptop computer fire on board

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS6KA_Si-m8

 

Any new word on what actually happened with this crash?

In light of the recent FedEx/UPS package bombs that were sent from Yemen you gotta wonder if it was a test run.

 

The 'swirly' background makes it difficult to watch... what's the point of that?

 

wondering/worrying about that myself......

 

more evidence?

....The device found in the UK was one of two discovered after a Saudi tip-off. The other was at Dubai airport. Both were capable of bringing down an aircraft.....

 

Another cargo fire another 747-400F down

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/07/29/360123/asiana-747-400f-had-fire-in-hold-before-crash.html

 

400 kilos of Lithium batteries (among other things).
That would burn the belly right out of that thing.
Too bad for those guys. Sad to hear.

 

The final report has been issued for the crash and here are the highlights of the causes.

Crash: UPS B744 at Dubai on Sep 3rd 2010, cargo fire

 

And that has led to this:

UPS Pioneers Aviation Safety, Implements New Fire-Resistant Shipping Containers - UPS Pressroom

 

What about the Al Qa'eda claim that they brought this plane down by putting in bombs in used printing cartridges and shipping them? These devices were discovered in time in other planes, but the authorities have never acknowledged it in relation to this crash.

Why would lithium batteries combust spontaneously unless there was some electrical discharge that caused heat build up? They weren't connected to anything, and were just sitting there. Why would they heat up?

Cover up?