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Brawn on MS - proof is in the telemetry

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  1. Aircon

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    he's just a troublemaker!! lol
     
  2. tifosi12

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    #152 tifosi12, Oct 13, 2010
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    I appreciate what he did for Ferrari (remember I have a signed replica of his Ferrari helmet in my collection and I m proud of it).

    But I also remember that he didn't want to drive for us last year when we needed him. And now he drives against us. After he said he would never do that.

    As for the Alonso comment: while Ferrari is my fav team, F1 is more important to me. The same guy winning all the time is boring. Whether that's MS or Alonso.

    Just my opinion. And you know what they say about opinions...
     
  3. VIZSLA

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    Just like Rodger Clemens said that he'd never pitch for another AL team when he left the Red Sox.
     
  4. tifosi12

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    Sorry pal. I know I sound like a broken record. I'll shut up now.
     
  5. barbazza

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    Oh boo hoo. He's done absolutely no harm to Ferrari this year by driving "against" them. You have nothing to complain about. At least not until next year when he starts taking wins away... :D

    And answer my PM dammit! I'm trying to give you beer! ;)
     
  6. Ferraripilot

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  7. Aircon

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    there's one problem with your argument about him being 1 second faster than Nico....we don't know how long Nico's car was handling like crap before THE WHEEL FELL OFF!!

    I'd love to see MS beat Nico too, but I don't think the last race showed that that will even happen.
     
  8. tifosi12

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    #158 tifosi12, Oct 13, 2010
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    Not sure: Suzuka is the most technical track in the calendar (it was built as a test track). Here experience and talent really matter. Very possible MS had the upper hand here.

    That said qualifying is a different story
     
  9. Ferraripilot

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    #159 Ferraripilot, Oct 13, 2010
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    Take a peak at their lap times through the entire race. Schu was faster on nearly every lap. That being said, Nico did have a bit of traffic to deal with in the beginning.
     
  10. CRG125

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    According to BBC article regarding Kubica being the best in F1 at the moment. They mentioned Suzuka, Belguim and Monaco are tracks where a driver will really show their abilities. MS beat Rosberg at all three of these tracks.
     
  11. LightGuy

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    Nice post Frank.
     
  12. zaevor2000

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  13. Aircon

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    as i keep saying, we'll never really know.
     
  14. Ferraripilot

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    The most harsh recent critic of Schu speaks out: Japan showed a different Schu


    BBC pundit and former F1 team boss Eddie Jordan has back-tracked on his criticism of Michael Schumacher after saying that the Japanese Grand Prix was a race where fans saw 'something of his old self'.

    Jordan has been an outspoken critic of Schumacher this season after he elected to come out of retirement, with the German having struggled for results with the Mercedes team.

    Sixth place at Suzuka marked only the fourth time this season that Schumacher has finished inside the top six but Jordan said it was a sign that he could still do a job in F1.

    That comes despite Jordan having said that the race in Singapore prior to Japan was one of the worst he had ever seen Schumacher drive.

    “We saw a different Schumacher in Japan,” Jordan told Auto Motor und Sport. “He couldn't have gone on being as bad as he was in Singapore. It was a big improvement. In practice he was faster than Rosberg and that's something we haven't seen too often.

    “I think he just felt comfortable. Suzuka is a brilliant drivers' circuit, and Michael is a brilliant driver. I think we saw something of his old self.”

    Schumacher's sixth place finish saw him move up to ninth in the drivers' championship.
     
  15. Remy Zero

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    EJ should shut the hell up. If MS wins the next race, he'll probably say that the 2011 title is MS's.
     
  16. TifosiUSA

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    Him and Lauda. Talk so much and say nothing...
     
  17. speedy_sam

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    I find it interesting that in 2010, MS is doing the complete opposite of what he was good/bad at in 2006.

    Bad 2010 / good 2006:
    - Qualifying
    - tire management
    - car set up
    - brain not 2 corners ahead of the car

    Good 2010 / bad 2006:
    - quick start from the lights
    - makes up several positions in the first 2 laps
     
  18. kraftwerk

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    Now Prost wades in:

    Oct.19 (GMM) Michael Schumacher lacked the “humility” to set a more realistic target for his 2010 return to formula one.

    That is the claim of Alain Prost, the French former formula one driver who in 1993 returned from sabbatical to win his fourth and final title at the age of 38.

    At 41, Schumacher came out of retirement this year to race with the new Mercedes works team, announcing his ambition to extend his all-time record with an eighth title.

    But Prost said the German’s “goal was too high and unrealistic”.

    Rather than battle for wins and the championship, Schumacher has been outpaced by his teammate Nico Rosberg, trailing the 24-year-old by 68 points.

    “He should have said he was coming back to help Rosberg, or Mercedes in its first year, or his friend Ross Brawn — it would have been easier for him,” Prost is quoted as telling the French sports magazine L’Equipe.

    “It may have been a lack of humility,” added the winner of 51 grands prix, “but I think he saw himself as more powerful than that. For me, it’s just a question of age,” Prost continued. “I think the tyres are just an excuse, because Schumacher always adapted to any sort of car.”

    “It was his great strength,” said the Frenchman. “It’s just not possible to return to the top after being away for three years at that age. It’s a matter of physiology.”

    Flavio Briatore, team boss at Benetton when Schumacher won his first titles in the 90s, agrees with Prost.

    “We know the Schumacher of Benetton and Ferrari,” the Italian said in an interview with the Times of India. “We know him as a super champion. It was not a right decision on his part to make a comeback. If he continues next year, it will be the same story,” added Briatore.


    http://www.yallaf1.com/2010/10/19/prost-says-schumis-expectations-unrealistic/
     
  19. VIZSLA

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    When F1 sized egos say that you might lack humility it behooves one to listen :D
     
  20. 4rePhill

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    Alain Prost?, Whinging and whining?. Sshhirley not!.

    The strange thing is, the versions I'd read from Schumacher about his comeback was that he wasn't expecting to be challenging for race victories and for the title this season and he was noncommittal about his chances for next season as well. What he did say was that he'd like to add to his seven titles but said that in F1 nothing was guaranteed.

    At the end of the day though, Schumacher doesn't represent Alain Prost or Flavio Briatore or any other of his critics. They don't like his comeback?, so what?, tough!. Some of the fans don't like it?, again tough!.
    It's Schumachers life, it's Schumachers racing legacy, so it's nobody elses business what he decides to do with it. he doesn't need everybody elses approval to do what he wants to do.
    People should just let him live his life the way he wants to, afterall, he's not hurting anyone else is he! (although he did come close with Rubens in Hungary!).
     
  21. VIZSLA

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    If he wants to avoid notoriety I suggest beekeeping in Sussex not F1 as a hobby.
     
  22. Ferraripilot

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    True arrogance would have been Schu saying he was coming back for 1 year and planned on dominating. He's not stupid, and he realised this takes time. Prost's argument doesn't hold water as Schu has never ever been competitive his first year with a new team. It's all part of the show folks
     
  23. 4rePhill

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    So should he get approval from everybody else about the clothes he wears?, the cars he drives?, the house he lives in?.

    Is it for everyone else to dictate to him what he can and cannot do?.

    Does being a famous racing driver who has had great success in the past remove his right to make his own choices in life freely, as others might not approve?.

    As a free man, should he live his live for himself or for everyone else?.

    Others disagree with his choices, so what?, it's not their life, they don't own him.


    Look at it this way, if people don't like the car you drive, is that their problem or yours?.
    If people don't like the partner whom you love, is that their problem or yours?.
    If people don't like the house you live in, is that their problem or yours?.

    Should you sell your car and your house and ditch your partner just to please others?.


    Like I say, It's his life, let him live it as he deems fit, that's no more than the rest of us ask.
     
  24. Ferraripilot

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    what a great post. thank you.

    If nothing else is gained in terms of Michael's record out of this whole thing, there is something to be said for such a fantastic driver who has driven generations of F1 cars with hundreds of drivers. His commentary about the evolution of the sport according to his in-person perspective is definitely a book I would read. Too soon to be talking about autobiographies now though!
     
  25. kraftwerk

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    I think you are missing the point.

    It is not about approval from others, it is the question marks risen.

    For example :” Prost told L’Equipe. “I think the tyres are just an excuse, because Schumacher always adapted to any sort of car.

    If he is happy with his life and is enjoying his time back in F1 so be it, but IMO he was a born ruthless winner and happy with nothing less, so it must be hurting.
     

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